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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=170211305-04052001>Sorry
about my delay in replying, trying to iron out retirement details, adjusting to
new situation, andworking part time at Grad. Theological Union Library
(Berkeley). However, here goes on Serials (not my
forte)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=170211305-04052001>i
agree basically with Jane's point on Roman numerals, and with the need to
transribe addresses.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=170211305-04052001>Also,
I agree that as much as possible we should be consistent acroos "formats"
(books, serials, maps, etc.) Of course this is not always possible, but
many variations seem to me arbitrary, and confusing to user of the catalog, let
alone time consuming for the cataloger to figure out which "convention" to
follow.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=170211305-04052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=170211305-04052001>As to
"what" should be $b or $c (the "moon" instance) to some extent this is question
of interpretation and context. I'll take the person's word for it that in
the case in point "sign of the moon" refers to date(s), but it could, in a
certain context, be an address or "name" of a place of ... Agree that if
"date" data, should go in $c.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=170211305-04052001>Patrick</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:owner-dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jane
Gillis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:36 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: DCRM(S) area
4<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT size=3>I am sending this again. Don't know
if everyone got it.<BR><BR>While everyone is thinking about Juliet's question
on area 4, may I add another concerning Roman numerals?<BR><BR>Bob pointed out
that DCRM(S) differed from DCRB in the area of Roman numerals, which
are:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face="Courier New TUR, Courier" size=3>Roman
numerals. When roman numerals appear as Gregorian or Julian years,
change them to arabic numerals unless they are erroneous or
misprinted.<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB><X-TAB> </X-TAB><BR>,
anno gratiae 1614<BR>(On publication: Anno gratiae MDCXIV)<BR><BR>Transcribe
years other than Gregorian or Julian as they
appear.<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB><X-TAB> </X-TAB><BR>,
an VII 1798<BR>(On publication: An VII,
1798)<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB><BR>Optionally,
if it is considered important to retain in the catalog record the exact
expression of the date, transcribe the date as it appears in roman numerals
and add the date in arabic numerals in square
brackets.<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB><X-TAB> </X-TAB><BR>,
MDCLVI [1656]<BR><BR>Fictitious or incorrect dates. When the year of
publication or printing is known to be fictitious or is incorrect, transcribe
it as it appears and add the real or correct year in square brackets.
(If the full imprint is fictitious or incorrect, apply
4A4.)<BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB><X-TAB> </X-TAB><BR>,
DMLII [i.e. 1552]<BR><BR></FONT>Juliet and I have discussed these rules and
have decided that we will follow what DCRM will be doing in other formats,
especially (G) and (B). Before we change what we have, the committee
should consider whether any changes are to be made to DCRM.
Specifically,<BR><BR>1. Why change Roman numerals to arabic, without brackets,
only when the numerals appear as Gregorian or Julian years? <BR><BR>2.
And only those Gregorian or Julian years that are not erroneous or
misprinted?<BR><BR>3. What is the reason for not transcribing Roman numerals
as Roman numerals no matter what they stand for in the imprint?<BR><BR>4. Is
the date not a transcribed area?<BR><BR>The simplest solution would seem to be
to transcribe what is there, bracketing if needed the arabic
numeral. Optionally, if the Roman numerals are not considered
important, bracket their translation into arabic numerals. The rule
concerning Roman numerals would be much simpler.<BR><BR>How do the rest of you
feel?<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger| Sterling Memorial Library</DIV>
<DIV>Yale University | New Haven CT 06520</DIV>
<DIV>(203)432-8383 (voice) | (203)432-7231 (fax) | jane.gillis@
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