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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">---------- Forwarded message ----------</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:51:20 -0700 (MST)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">From: Laurence Creider <lcreider@lib.NMSU.Edu></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">To: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">Subject: Comments on beta version (fwd)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">I think that the editorial committee has performed its work excellently;</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">my comments are all fairly minor ones and follow. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">Larry Creider</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">DCRM(B) Beta comments</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana"><</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">…</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">4C6. "Include the number of omitted publishers (or firms) and the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">number</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">of omitted places (if more than one) in the supplied phrase." When are</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">partnerships firms? Or more precisely when is a partnership created</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">merely for one particular project and when is it more enduring? Do we</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">care? I am worried about how to count some of the early 18th century</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">English bookseller combines for specific editions or titles.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">[DJL]</FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">I think a good rule of thumb is how the names are presented in the imprint.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">Although a few partnerships were enduring (such as Hitch & Hawes), most were fluid. We don't need to worry about whether a partnership is enduring to count it as a firm in the imprint. Here are some typical 18c English examples:</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">London :</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">P</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">rinted for Allen and West; J. Mundell and Company, Edinburgh; and J. & A. Duncan, Glasgow.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">There are 3 firms</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"> in</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">preceding</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"> imprint.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I> </I></B></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">London : printed for T. Longman, B. Law, C. Dilly, G.G. and J. Robinsons, R. Baldwin,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">W.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana"> Richar</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">d</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">son, W. Otridge and Son, J. Mathews, W. Goldsmith, S. Hayes, J. Scatcherd, W. Bent, and Vernor and Hood, 1795.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I> </I></B></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">There are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">13 firms in preceding imprint.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I> </I></B></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">London :</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">P</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Verdana">rinted for T. Longman, B. Law, G. G. J. & J. Robinson, T. Pote, R. Baldwin, F. & C. Rivington, and W. Goldsmith, 1792.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">Likewise, there are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">7 firms in preceding imprint. </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"></FONT></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I></I></B></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><B><I> </I></B></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">These examples are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">not surprisingly</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">all from the 1790's, when one sees a noticeable increase in the numbe</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">r</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia"> of firm firms, so to speak.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">In earlier imprints, even temporary partnerships were typically listed as separate names. The thing is not to confuse the issue of how to establish the heading with how to count</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">when cataloging a single work. I never remember having a problem with this, even though I had to do a lot of it when working with the ESTC when it was still the 18th-century short title catalogue. I think a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">well-chosen example in the rules ought to do the trick.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">Deborah J. Leslie</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">Folger Library</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Georgia">djleslie@folger.edu</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
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