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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:blue'>I think you</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:blue'>’</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:blue'>re right, Ryan, that work > expression
> manifestation is supposed to be a strict hierarchical progression. That
wording, however, has been that way from gamma (when it first appeared). I am vaguely
aware that the concept of expression has proven especially tricky as the FRBR
principles are being worked out. In any case, let me get in touch with our
local FRBR experts (all of whom happen to be on this list). John and Annie</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:blue'>—</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:blue'>you wrote the original position
paper for Group 6</span></font><font size=2 color=blue><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:blue'>—</span></font><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";
color:blue'>and Matthew, who goes around the world giving talks about FRBR, can
you verify the intention of the following first principle of </span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:blue'>DCRM</span></font><font size=2
color=blue face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS";color:blue'> construction, which starts out:</span></font></p>
<p class=Normalparagraph><span class=Header3Char><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Palatino Linotype"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Intro 3.1.1. Users
are able</span></font></b></span><span class=L1Char><b><span style='font-weight:
bold'> </span></b></span><span class=Header3Char><b><font color=black
face="Palatino Linotype">to distinguish clearly among different manifestations
of an expression or work</font></b></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The ability to distinguish among different
manifestations of an expression or work is critical to the user tasks of
identifying and selecting bibliographic resources.</span></font><font size=2
color=blue face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS";color:blue'> </span></font></p>
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<p><font size=1 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>__________________________________________</span></font>
<br>
<font size=1 face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS"'>Deborah J. Leslie</span></font><font size=1
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>,
M.A., M.L.S.<br>
Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<br>
<a href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html">http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html</a><br>
Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library<br>
201 East Capitol St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003</span></font> <br>
<font size=1 face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS"'>djleslie@folger.edu || 202.675-0369 ||</span></font> <font
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href="http://www.folger.ed">http://www.folger.ed</a>u</span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>Ryan Hildebrand</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 08 September 2006 13:42<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'>DCRM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'> Revision Group
List</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'>DCRM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-L] Introduction:
question re: FRBR terms</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Introduction speaks
of users' ability to "distinguish clearly among different manifestations
of an expression or work" (see Intro 3.1.1. and following paragraph, and
3.2.2.). I'm not exactly sure what we are trying to say here, or how we mean
this to be interpreted. In common parlance we often speak of a manifestation of
a work with the expression implied, but is it not physically impossible to have
manifestation of a work, without the expression, as the sentence suggests? What
would be the difference between a manifestation of an expression vs. the
manifestation of a work? Should the phrase be changed to "Users are able
to distinguish clearly among different manifestations of an expression <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>of a</span></i> work"?<br>
<br>
Apologies if this has already been discussed.<br>
<br>
--Ryan<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/5/2006 6:53 PM, Deborah J. Leslie wrote:<br>
<br>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Dear
Colleagues,</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>I have just posted the
latest version of DCRM(B) on the DCRM(B)</span></font> <font
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>revision
page.</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS"'>Also posted are</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>a</span></font> <font
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>(very
informal!)</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS"'>list</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>of</span></font> <font
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>the</span></font>
<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>changes</span></font>
<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>since
the last version,</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>our editorial checklist, and</span></font>
<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>instructions
for proofreaders.</span></font> <a
href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/dcrb/dcrmtext.html"><font
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>http://www.folger.edu/bsc/dcrb/dcrmtext.html</span></font></a></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>Speaking of whom, if,
after</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS"'>returning from your summer holidays, you have only just
seen</span></font> <font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>my</span></font>
<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>request
for proofreaders for DCRM(B), please know that it is not too late to sign on!</span></font>
<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>We
can use as many pairs of eyes as are volunteered.</span></font> </p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>Specific</span></font> <font
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>proofreading
assignments forthcoming (but not tonight).</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>Best,</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>Deborah</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><a name=""><font size=1 color=black
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>__________________________________________</span></font></a></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=1 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>Deborah J. Leslie, M.A.,
M.L.S.<br>
Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<br>
<a href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html">http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html</a><br>
Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library<br>
201 East Capitol St., S.E.,</span></font> <font size=1 face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'>Washington, D.C. 20003</span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=1 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'><a
href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">djleslie@folger.edu</a> || 202.675-0369 ||</span></font>
<font size=1 face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS"'><a href="http://www.folger.ed">http://www.folger.ed</a>u</span></font>
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<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- </span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>University of California, Irvine, CA 92623-9557</span></font></pre><pre
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