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<DIV><SPAN class=156000518-13092006><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
color=#0000ff>Thanks, Annie and John. I'll take this as a mandate to change the
text unless I hear any howls of outrage from the field. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">______________________________________________________<BR>Deborah
J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.<BR>Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<BR>Head
of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library<BR>201 East Capitol St., S.E.,
Washington, D.C. 20003<BR><A
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>John Attig<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 13 September, 2006
14:03<BR><B>To:</B> DCRM Revision Group List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [DCRM-L]
Introduction: question re: FRBR terms<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>I think I'm
responsible for this wording, and I'm not sure what I was trying to
accomplish. I could give a long answer and attempt to make sense of what
is currently there, but I think that the short answer -- the change it to
"expression of a work" -- is
preferable.<BR><BR><X-TAB> </X-TAB>John<BR><BR>At
09:20 PM 9/12/2006, Deborah J. Leslie wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica" color=#0000ff>I think you</FONT> ’<FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica" color=#0000ff>re right, Ryan, that work
> expression > manifestation is supposed to be a strict hierarchical
progression. That wording, however, has been that way from gamma (when it
first appeared). I am vaguely aware that the concept of expression has
proven especially tricky as the FRBR principles are being worked out. In any
case, let me get in touch with our local FRBR experts (all of whom happen to
be on this list). John and Annie</FONT> ­<FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica" color=#0000ff>you wrote the original
position paper for Group 6</FONT>­<FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica" color=#0000ff> and Matthew, who goes
around the world giving talks about FRBR, can you verify the intention of
the following first principle of DCRM construction, which starts
out:<BR></FONT><FONT face="Palatino Linotype"><B>Intro 3.1.1. Users
are able</FONT> <FONT face="Palatino Linotype">to distinguish clearly among
different manifestations of an expression or work<BR></B></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times">The ability to distinguish among different
manifestations of an expression or work is critical to the user tasks of
identifying and selecting bibliographic resources.</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica" color=#0000ff><BR> <BR>
<BR> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">__________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A.,
M.L.S.<BR>Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<BR><A
href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html">http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html</A><BR>Head
of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library<BR>201 East Capitol St., S.E.,
Washington, D.C. 20003</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">djleslie@folger.edu || 202.675-0369
||</FONT> <A href="http://www.folger.ed"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">http://www.folger.ed</A>
u</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [<A
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ryan
Hildebrand<BR><B>Sent:</B> 08 September 2006 13:42<BR><B>To:</B> DCRM
Revision Group List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [DCRM-L] Introduction: question re:
FRBR terms<BR></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR>The
Introduction speaks of users' ability to "distinguish clearly among
different manifestations of an expression or work" (see Intro 3.1.1. and
following paragraph, and 3.2.2.). I'm not exactly sure what we are trying to
say here, or how we mean this to be interpreted. In common parlance we often
speak of a manifestation of a work with the expression implied, but is it
not physically impossible to have manifestation of a work, without the
expression, as the sentence suggests? What would be the difference between a
manifestation of an expression vs. the manifestation of a work? Should the
phrase be changed to "Users are able to distinguish clearly among different
manifestations of an expression <I>of a</I> work"?<BR><BR>Apologies if this
has already been discussed.<BR><BR>--Ryan<BR><BR><BR>On 9/5/2006 6:53 PM,
Deborah J. Leslie wrote:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Dear Colleagues,<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">I have just posted the latest version of
DCRM(B) on the DCRM(B)</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">revision page.</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Also posted are</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">a</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">(very informal!)</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">list</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">of</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">the</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">changes</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">since the last version,</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">our editorial checklist, and</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">instructions for proofreaders.</FONT> <A
href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/dcrb/dcrmtext.html"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">http://www.folger.edu/bsc/dcrb/dcrmtext.html</A><BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Speaking of whom, if, after</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">returning from your summer holidays, you
have only just seen</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">my</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">request for proofreaders for DCRM(B),
please know that it is not too late to sign on!</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">We can use as many pairs of eyes as are
volunteered.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Specific</FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">proofreading assignments forthcoming (but
not tonight).<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Best,<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Deborah<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica"><A></A>__________________________________________<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.<BR>Chair,
RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<BR><A
href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html">http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html</A><BR>Head
of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library<BR>201 East Capitol St.,
S.E.,</FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">Washington, D.C.
20003<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica"><A
href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">djleslie@folger.edu</A> || 202.675-0369
||</FONT> <A href="http://www.folger.edu/" eudora="autourl"><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS, Helvetica">http://www.folger.edu</A>
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</FONT></PRE><FONT face="Courier New, Courier"></FONT><BR><PRE><FONT face="Courier New, Courier">Ryan Hildebrand, Special
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Cataloger</FONT></PRE><FONT face="Courier New, Courier"></FONT><BR><PRE><FONT face="Courier New, Courier">UCI Libraries, P.O. Box
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