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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=312050422-02102006><FONT face=Arial size=2>I
agree that "Nontextual" doesn't work. I realize "nonbook" is problematic as
well--rare serials are in fact "books" as are some scores and maps (e.g.
atlases); for that matter, since sheets are counted as "books", since they are
cataloged under dcrm(b), that would mean that sheet music and sheet maps are
also "books" so far as format of ink on paper goes. I don't think we need to tie
ourselves into knots over this, though. I prefer "nonbook" to "nontextual",
especially since we also give a list of examples of what we mean by "nonbook." I
do not think the language will be misunderstood. If we really are worried about
"nonbook" we could word it as follows:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P class=Header2 style="MARGIN: 0.25in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=4><FONT
face="Palatino Linotype"><STRONG>A7. <S>Nonbook</S></STRONG>
<STRONG><U>Other</U></STRONG> <STRONG>formats</STRONG>
<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=Normalparagraph style="MARGIN: 12pt 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Palatino Linotype">Do not apply the code “dcrmb” to records for
<S>nonbook</S> materials such as serials, maps, music, <U>manuscripts</U> and
graphics even though they may have been cataloged according to an adapted,
“<st1:PersonName w:st="on">DCRM</st1:PersonName>(B)-like” standard. <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face="Palatino Linotype">Instead, use a DCRM
component manual for the format being described, if one
exists</FONT>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=312050422-02102006><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Bob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Robert L. Maxwell<BR>Special Collections and Ancient Languages
Catalog Librarian<BR>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian<BR>6728 Harold B. Lee
Library<BR>Brigham Young University<BR>Provo, UT 84602<BR>(801)422-5568
</FONT></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Fletcher,
Jain<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 02, 2006 3:59 PM<BR><B>To:</B> DCRM
Revision Group List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A
comments<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Garamond color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond">Hi, I would just
like to insert a note here to say that “A7” as it currently stands is probably
better (and safer). As to referring to all material other than books as
“non-textual”, don’t forget that serials, music and even maps often have much
text associated with it. Also remember that material other than books
fit the AACR definition of “monograph”. Still, I believe that the
asterisked phrase in Deborah’s suggested new text, however, would cover the
elaboration that Alex seems to be asking for (if I am understanding his point
correctly). So, how about: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Palatino Linotype'">A7.
Nonbook formats </SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do not apply the code “dcrmb” to
records for nonbook materials such as serials, maps, music, and graphics, even
though they may have been cataloged according to an adapted, “DCRM(B)-like”
standard.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Instead, use a DCRM component manual for the format
being described, if one exists.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Garamond color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Garamond color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond">
--Jain<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Californian FB" color=blue
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Californian FB'">Jain
Fletcher<BR>Principal Cataloger & Head, Technical Services Division
<BR>Department of Special Collections <BR>Young Research Library - UCLA
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Californian FB"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Californian FB'"><ns0:address
w:endInsDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Jain Fletcher"
w:insDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:insAuthor="Jain Fletcher"><ns0:Street
w:endInsDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Jain Fletcher"
w:insDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:insAuthor="Jain Fletcher"><st1:address
w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Box</SPAN></FONT></st1:Street></ns0:Street></st1:address><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> 951575</SPAN></FONT></ns0:address><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><BR></SPAN></FONT><ns0:place
w:endInsDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Jain Fletcher"
w:insDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:insAuthor="Jain Fletcher"><ns0:City
w:endInsDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Jain Fletcher"
w:insDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:insAuthor="Jain Fletcher"><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">Los Angeles</SPAN></FONT></ns0:City><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">, </SPAN></FONT><ns0:State
w:endInsDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Jain Fletcher"
w:insDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:insAuthor="Jain Fletcher"><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">CA</SPAN></FONT></ns0:State><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></FONT><ns0:PostalCode
w:endInsDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Jain Fletcher"
w:insDate="2006-10-02T14:45:00Z" w:insAuthor="Jain Fletcher"><FONT
color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">90095-1575</SPAN></FONT></ns0:PostalCode></ns0:place></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Californian FB" color=blue
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Californian FB'">v: (310)
794-4096<BR>f: (310) 206-1864<BR>e: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue"><A
href="mailto:jfletchr@library.ucla.edu"><FONT face="Californian FB"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Californian FB'">jfletchr@library.ucla.edu</SPAN></FONT></A>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:.-.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face="Bradley Hand ITC"
color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bradley Hand ITC'">Ignorance,
allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can
have.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face="Bradley Hand ITC"
color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bradley Hand ITC'"> --James
Baldwin, writer (1924-987) <BR></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=blue
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">-.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:.-.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Deborah J.
Leslie<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, October
01, 2006 10:25 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> DCRM
Revision Group List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
RE: [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A
comments</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Thanks,
Alex.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">This</SPAN></FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">is a good question. Now
that I look at it, I</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">’</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">m not</SPAN></FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">comfortable with
referring to serials as</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">nonbook</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">”</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'"> formats, and notice that
DCRB did not include serials here.</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Comments
welcome; to</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">get the ball
rolling,</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">I</SPAN></FONT> <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">suggest changing
from</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><B><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Palatino Linotype'">A7.
Nonbook formats </SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do not apply the code “dcrmb” to
records for nonbook materials such as serials, maps, music, and graphics, even
though they may have been cataloged according to an adapted, “DCRM(B)-like”
standard.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">To</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><A name=""><B><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Palatino Linotype'">A7.</SPAN></FONT></B></A><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> </SPAN></B><B><FONT face="Palatino Linotype"
size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Palatino Linotype'">Nontextual
formats </SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do not apply the code “dcrmb” to
records for</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">nonmonographic or
nontextual</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">materials such as</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">graphics, maps, music,
and</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">serials, even though they may have
been</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">described according to an adapted,
“DCRM(B)-like” standard.*</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">*Use a</SPAN></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">DCRM</SPAN></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">component
manual for the format being described if one
exists.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Or</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">*If describing rare</SPAN></FONT>
<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">music or</SPAN></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">serials,
use the appropriate DCRM component manual.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Our list of sources cited would
then have DCRM(M) and DCRM(S).</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">__________________________________________</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Deborah
J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.<BR>Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<BR><A
href="http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html">http://www.folger.edu/bsc/index.html</A><BR>Head
of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library<BR>201 East Capitol St.,
S.E.,</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Washington,
D.C. 20003</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'">djleslie@folger.edu
|| 202.675-0369 ||</SPAN></FONT> <FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=blue
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><A
href="http://www.folger.ed">http://www.folger.ed</A>u </SPAN></FONT>
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [<A
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</A>]</SPAN></FONT><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> </SPAN></B><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">On Behalf
Of</SPAN></FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Alex Thurman<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 12 September 2006 13:55<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [DCRM-L] Area 8 & Appendix A
comments</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Area 8 looks good to me--I found
no typos or other errors.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I like Appendix A too,
particularly the inclusion of a section for </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">full-level DCRM(B). My only
reservation about App. A is that "A7. Nonbook </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">formats" seems to require another
sentence of elaboration. Does this </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">section's reference to "an
adapted, 'DCRM(B)-like' standard" allude to </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">DCRM(S), DCRM(M), etc.? If so why
not point out that these related </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">standards will have their own
codes? (or provide them, if they are known)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Alex</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>