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<DIV>UCSD uses relator terms extensively for both personal names and corporate
bodies and these are input into the master records at OCLC.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>~Arvid Nelsen</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>R. Arvid Nelsen<BR>Coord. of Technical Services/Original
Cataloger/Classical Studies Librarian<BR>University of California, San
Diego<BR>Mandeville Special Collections Library<BR>9500 Gilman Drive,
0175S<BR>La Jolla, CA 92093-0175<BR>Phone: 858-534-6766<BR>Fax:
858-534-5950</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>>>> ejh@grolierclub.org 12/05/06 06:05AM
>>><BR>The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both
for individuals and corporate bodies.<BR><BR>At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Verdana
color=#008080>Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and
booksellers identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes Nicolai
Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety <BR></FONT>
<DL>
<DD><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>
<DD>From:</B> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [<A
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</A>] On Behalf Of </B>Hillyard, Brian<BR>
<DD>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM<BR>
<DD>To:</B> DCRM Revision Group List<BR>
<DD>Subject:</B> RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2>Bob<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2>One of the most
common uses of relators in 710 must be for indexing former ownership by
institutions (e.g. monastic, British Museum duplicates, and so on). We
would have hundreds if not thousands of these.<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2>Best
wishes<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2>Brian<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" color=#000080 size=2>Dr Brian
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<DD><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>From:</B> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [<A
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</A>] On Behalf Of </B>Robert Maxwell<BR>
<DD>Sent:</B> 05 December 2006 00:10<BR>
<DD>To:</B> DCRM Revision Group List<BR>
<DD>Subject:</B> [DCRM-L] Relator terms<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Dear DCRMers,<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>We seem to be winding down somewhat
on the final touches to DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce another topic
entirely :-) Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to Manon,
Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so much to
this!</FONT><BR><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>As many of you are, we are an RLIN
library working on the transition to OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC
for years but never cataloged in the system. In order to continue our PCC
BIBCO work we recently applied for and were granted the appropriate
cataloging enhance statuses. However there was a small glitch. OCLC wanted a
set of sample records, and I chose a variety of BYU original records that
were already in OCLC through our tapeloading. This sample included a few of
my own cataloging records. Although we were given the enhance status we
needed, a few of the records were returned to me with "problems" circled in
red. And these "problems" were all on my records and they were all instances
where I had included relator terms with added entries :-( </FONT><BR><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>The OCLC examiners had two issues:
(1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly forbids the use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2
only allows relators to be used with personal names, not corporate
bodies.<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Now the answer to (1) seems fairly
straightforward to me--LCRI 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC Practice",
meaning it need not apply outside LC (and as a matter of fact I happen to
know that the LC Practice label was added specifically so that BIBCO
catalogers could use relator terms). <BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>The answer to (2) is a little more
tricky--frankly I had never dreamed that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e
publisher" after a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book Club
of California, $e publisher), but now that it has been pointed out to me
21.0D does in fact say "In the cases noted below, add [a] ... designation of
function to an added entry for a person</I>". (MARC documentation certainly
allows for use of relators terms in 710 fields.) I was told by someone at LC
that it had been recently proposed to JSC to correct this and add corporate
bodies to the rule but it had been withdrawn pending RDA, but I don't
remember anything about such a proposal.<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>As the new kid on the block I don't
really want to get a reputation for belligerency (and in fact I really don't
WANT to be belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and so I intend to
bring it up with the person who examined our records, but after I've
consulted you folks. It does seem to me that relator terms add quite a bit
of value to entries, especially considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying
the relationships between entities (e.g. between persons or corporate bodies
and works, expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also essential
to the indexing in our catalog. I am talking about relator terms</I>, not
codes, by the way.<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>I'd be interested in your thoughts,
on two fronts: (1) I have been assuming that most of the rare cataloging
community does use relator terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so I'd
be interested in hearing what your practice is (including do you use them
with corporate bodies, and does your library use them outside special
collections cataloging); and (2) those of you who are experienced OCLC
catalogers, including enhance libraries, do you use them in OCLC master
records? I suppose one could enhance or create the master record and then
add relators to the local record but that does seem a bit a shame to me
...<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>And of course anything else you
have to say about this issue would be of great interest. And any other tips
on becoming a successful OCLC cataloging entity!<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Thanks,<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Bob<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><BR>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>Robert L. Maxwell<BR>
<DD>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian<BR>
<DD>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian<BR>
<DD>6728 Harold B. Lee Library<BR>
<DD>Brigham Young University<BR>
<DD>Provo, UT 84602<BR>
<DD>(801)422-5568 <BR></FONT><BR>
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