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And for UC Berkeley as well, although we use relator codes not relator
terms.<br><br>
Randy<br><br>
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At 11:18 AM 12/5/2006, Ryan Hildebrand wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">This is also true for UC
Irvine.<br><br>
-Ryan<br><br>
<pre><font face="Times New Roman, Times">Ryan Hildebrand, Special
Collections and Archives Cataloger
UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
92623-9557
Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949)
824-2472</font></pre><font face="Courier New, Courier"></font><br><br>
On 12/5/2006 10:20 AM, R. Arvid Nelsen wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">UCSD uses relator terms
extensively for both personal names and corporate bodies and these are
input into the master records at OCLC.<br>
<br>
~Arvid Nelsen<br>
<br>
R. Arvid Nelsen<br>
Coord. of Technical Services/Original Cataloger/Classical Studies
Librarian<br>
University of California, San Diego<br>
Mandeville Special Collections Library<br>
9500 Gilman Drive, 0175S<br>
La Jolla, CA 92093-0175<br>
Phone: 858-534-6766<br>
Fax: 858-534-5950<br>
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>>> <a href="mailto:ejh@grolierclub.org">ejh@grolierclub.org</a>
12/05/06 06:05AM >>><br>
The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both for
individuals and corporate bodies.<br><br>
At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<font face="Verdana" color="#008080">Same for the Folger. Plus the many
relators for printers and booksellers identified as a corporate body, of
the "710 2_ Haeredes Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer"
variety </font>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size=2>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From:
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[
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian
<dd>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
<dd>To: DCRM Revision Group List
<dd>Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms<br><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Bob</font>
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<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">One of the most
common uses of relators in 710 must be for indexing former ownership by
institutions (e.g. monastic, British Museum duplicates, and so on).
We would have hundreds if not thousands of
these.</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Best
wishes</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Brian</font>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size=2>From:
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
<dd>Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
<dd>To: DCRM Revision Group List
<dd>Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator
terms</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Dear
DCRMers,</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>We seem to be winding down
somewhat on the final touches to DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce another
topic entirely :-) Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to
Manon, Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so much to
this!</font><br><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>As many of you are, we are an
RLIN library working on the transition to OCLC. We've taped our records
to OCLC for years but never cataloged in the system. In order to continue
our PCC BIBCO work we recently applied for and were granted the
appropriate cataloging enhance statuses. However there was a small
glitch. OCLC wanted a set of sample records, and I chose a variety of BYU
original records that were already in OCLC through our tapeloading. This
sample included a few of my own cataloging records. Although we were
given the enhance status we needed, a few of the records were returned to
me with "problems" circled in red. And these
"problems" were all on my records and they were all instances
where I had included relator terms with added entries :-(
</font><br><br>
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<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>The OCLC examiners had two
issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly forbids the use of relator terms, and
(2) AACR2 only allows relators to be used with personal names, not
corporate bodies.</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Now the answer to (1) seems
fairly straightforward to me--LCRI 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC
Practice", meaning it need not apply outside LC (and as a matter of
fact I happen to know that the LC Practice label was added specifically
so that BIBCO catalogers could use relator terms).
</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>The answer to (2) is a little
more tricky--frankly I had never dreamed that we couldn't use "$e
printer" or "$e publisher" after a corporate body (e.g.
Arion Press, $e printer or Book Club of California, $e publisher), but
now that it has been pointed out to me 21.0D does in fact say "In
the cases noted below, add [a] ... designation of function to an added
entry for a person". (MARC documentation certainly allows for use of
relators terms in 710 fields.) I was told by someone at LC that it had
been recently proposed to JSC to correct this and add corporate bodies to
the rule but it had been withdrawn pending RDA, but I don't remember
anything about such a
proposal.</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>As the new kid on the block I
don't really want to get a reputation for belligerency (and in fact I
really don't WANT to be belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and
so I intend to bring it up with the person who examined our records, but
after I've consulted you folks. It does seem to me that relator terms add
quite a bit of value to entries, especially considering FRBR's emphasis
on clarifying the relationships between entities (e.g. between persons or
corporate bodies and works, expressions, manifestations, or items). They
are also essential to the indexing in our catalog. I am talking about
relator terms, not codes, by the
way.</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>I'd be interested in your
thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have been assuming that most of the rare
cataloging community does use relator terms in their work, but I could be
wrong--so I'd be interested in hearing what your practice is (including
do you use them with corporate bodies, and does your library use them
outside special collections cataloging); and (2) those of you who are
experienced OCLC catalogers, including enhance libraries, do you use them
in OCLC master records? I suppose one could enhance or create the master
record and then add relators to the local record but that does seem a bit
a shame to me ...</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>And of course anything else you
have to say about this issue would be of great interest. And any other
tips on becoming a successful OCLC cataloging
entity!</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Thanks,</font>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Bob</font>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
<dd>
<dd><font face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>Robert L. Maxwell
<dd>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
<dd>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
<dd>6728 Harold B. Lee Library
<dd>Brigham Young University
<dd>Provo, UT 84602
<dd>(801)422-5568 </font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"></font>
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Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA
92623-9557
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