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<DIV><SPAN class=463335614-05122006><FONT face=Verdana color=#008080><STRONG>Ha!
Good work, Annie!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Ann W. Copeland<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:45
AM<BR><B>To:</B> DCRM Revision Group List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [DCRM-L]
Relator terms<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>The OCLC documentation itself <A
href="http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/7xx/710.shtm"
eudora="autourl">http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/7xx/710.shtm</A> for the
710 lists the subfield e as optional:<BR><BR>‡e Relator
term A designation of function that
describes the relationship between a name and a work (e.g., defendants).
<BR>710 2 Eastman Kodak Company, ‡e defendant-appellant. <BR><BR>Relator
codes, which also specify a relationship of a person to a work, are contained
in subfield ‡4.<BR><BR><BR>I would question this with the OCLC reviewer, Bob.
<BR><BR><BR>Annie Copeland<BR>Penn State<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At
09:05 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">The Grolier Club also makes
extensive use of relator terms, both for individuals and corporate
bodies.<BR><BR>At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=Verdana
color=#008080>Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and
booksellers identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes
Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety </FONT>
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<DD><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----
<DD>From: dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [ <A
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu"
eudora="autourl">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</A>] On Behalf Of
Hillyard, Brian
<DD>Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20 AM
<DD>To: DCRM Revision Group List
<DD>Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator terms<BR><BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Bob</FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>One of the most common uses of relators
in 710 must be for indexing former ownership by institutions (e.g.
monastic, British Museum duplicates, and so on). We would have
hundreds if not thousands of these.</FONT>
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<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Best wishes</FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Brian</FONT>
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<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Dr Brian Hillyard</FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Rare Book Collections Manager</FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2>National Library of Scotland</FONT>
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<DD><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>From: dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [ <A
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu"
eudora="autourl">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</A>] On Behalf Of
Robert Maxwell
<DD>Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10
<DD>To: DCRM Revision Group List
<DD>Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms</FONT>
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<DD><FONT size=2>Dear DCRMers,</FONT>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2>We seem to be winding down somewhat on the final
touches to DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce another topic entirely :-)
Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to Manon, Deborah,
and all you others who have contributed so much to this!</FONT><BR><BR>
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<DD><FONT size=2>As many of you are, we are an RLIN library working on
the transition to OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC for years but
never cataloged in the system. In order to continue our PCC BIBCO work
we recently applied for and were granted the appropriate cataloging
enhance statuses. However there was a small glitch. OCLC wanted a set of
sample records, and I chose a variety of BYU original records that were
already in OCLC through our tapeloading. This sample included a few of
my own cataloging records. Although we were given the enhance status we
needed, a few of the records were returned to me with "problems" circled
in red. And these "problems" were all on my records and they were all
instances where I had included relator terms with added entries :-(
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<DD><FONT size=2>The OCLC examiners had two issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D
supposedly forbids the use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2 only allows
relators to be used with personal names, not corporate bodies.</FONT>
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<DD><FONT size=2>Now the answer to (1) seems fairly straightforward to
me--LCRI 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC Practice", meaning it need not
apply outside LC (and as a matter of fact I happen to know that the LC
Practice label was added specifically so that BIBCO catalogers could use
relator terms). </FONT>
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<DD><FONT size=2>The answer to (2) is a little more tricky--frankly I
had never dreamed that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e publisher"
after a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book Club of
California, $e publisher), but now that it has been pointed out to me
21.0D does in fact say "In the cases noted below, add [a] ...
designation of function to an added entry for a person". (MARC
documentation certainly allows for use of relators terms in 710 fields.)
I was told by someone at LC that it had been recently proposed to JSC to
correct this and add corporate bodies to the rule but it had been
withdrawn pending RDA, but I don't remember anything about such a
proposal.</FONT>
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<DD><FONT size=2>As the new kid on the block I don't really want to get
a reputation for belligerency (and in fact I really don't WANT to be
belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and so I intend to bring it
up with the person who examined our records, but after I've consulted
you folks. It does seem to me that relator terms add quite a bit of
value to entries, especially considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying
the relationships between entities (e.g. between persons or corporate
bodies and works, expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also
essential to the indexing in our catalog. I am talking about relator
terms, not codes, by the way.</FONT>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2>I'd be interested in your thoughts, on two fronts: (1)
I have been assuming that most of the rare cataloging community does use
relator terms in their work, but I could be wrong--so I'd be interested
in hearing what your practice is (including do you use them with
corporate bodies, and does your library use them outside special
collections cataloging); and (2) those of you who are experienced OCLC
catalogers, including enhance libraries, do you use them in OCLC master
records? I suppose one could enhance or create the master record and
then add relators to the local record but that does seem a bit a shame
to me ...</FONT>
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<DD><FONT size=2>And of course anything else you have to say about this
issue would be of great interest. And any other tips on becoming a
successful OCLC cataloging entity!</FONT>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2>Thanks,</FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2>Bob</FONT>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times"></FONT>
<DD><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times" size=2>Robert L. Maxwell
<DD>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
<DD>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
<DD>6728 Harold B. Lee Library
<DD>Brigham Young University
<DD>Provo, UT 84602
<DD>(801)422-5568 </FONT>
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