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<DIV><SPAN class=218085013-05122006><FONT face=Verdana color=#008080>Same for
the Folger. Plus the many relators for printers and booksellers identified as a
corporate body, of the "710 2_ Haeredes Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer"
variety </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Hillyard, Brian<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> DCRM Revision Group List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [DCRM-L]
Relator terms<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One of the most
common uses of relators in 710 must be for indexing former ownership by
institutions (e.g. monastic, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">British</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Museum</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> duplicates, and so on). We
would have hundreds if not thousands of these.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Robert Maxwell<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 05 December 2006 00:10<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> DCRM Revision Group List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [DCRM-L] Relator
terms</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear
DCRMers,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We seem to be winding down
somewhat on the final touches to DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce another
topic entirely :-) Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and thanks to
Manon, Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so much to
this!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As many of you are, we are an RLIN
library working on the transition to OCLC. We've taped our records to OCLC for
years but never cataloged in the system. In order to continue our PCC BIBCO
work we recently applied for and were granted the appropriate cataloging
enhance statuses. However there was a small glitch. OCLC wanted a set of
sample records, and I chose a variety of BYU original records that were
already in OCLC through our tapeloading. This sample included a few of my own
cataloging records. Although we were given the enhance status we needed, a few
of the records were returned to me with "problems" circled in red. And these
"problems" were all on my records and they were all instances where I had
included relator terms with added entries :-(
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The OCLC examiners had two issues:
(1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly forbids the use of relator terms, and (2) AACR2 only
allows relators to be used with personal names, not corporate
bodies.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now the answer to (1) seems fairly
straightforward to me--LCRI 21.0D is explicitly labelled "LC Practice",
meaning it need not apply outside LC (and as a matter of fact I happen to know
that the LC Practice label was added specifically so that BIBCO catalogers
could use relator terms). </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The answer to (2) is a little more
tricky--frankly I had never dreamed that we couldn't use "$e printer" or "$e
publisher" after a corporate body (e.g. Arion Press, $e printer or Book Club
of California, $e publisher), but now that it has been pointed out to me 21.0D
does in fact say "In the cases noted below, add [a] ... designation of
function to an added entry for <EM><I><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">a person</SPAN></FONT></I></EM>". (MARC
documentation certainly allows for use of relators terms in 710 fields.)
I was told by someone at LC that it had been recently proposed to JSC to
correct this and add corporate bodies to the rule but it had been withdrawn
pending RDA, but I don't remember anything about such a
proposal.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As the new kid on the block I
don't really want to get a reputation for belligerency (and in fact I really
don't WANT to be belligerent!) but I do want to clarify this and so I intend
to bring it up with the person who examined our records, but after I've
consulted you folks. It does seem to me that relator terms add quite a bit of
value to entries, especially considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying the
relationships between entities (e.g. between persons or corporate
bodies and works, expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also
essential to the indexing in our catalog. I am talking about relator
<EM><I><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">terms</SPAN></FONT></I></EM>, not codes, by the
way.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'd be interested in your
thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have been assuming that most of the rare
cataloging community does use relator terms in their work, but I could be
wrong--so I'd be interested in hearing what your practice is (including do you
use them with corporate bodies, and does your library use them outside special
collections cataloging); and (2) those of you who are experienced OCLC
catalogers, including enhance libraries, do you use them in OCLC master
records? I suppose one could enhance or create the master record and then add
relators to the local record but that does seem a bit a shame to me
...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And of course anything else you
have to say about this issue would be of great interest. And any other tips on
becoming a successful OCLC cataloging
entity!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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