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This is also true for UC Irvine.<br>
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-Ryan<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA 92623-9557
Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949) 824-2472</font></pre>
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On 12/5/2006 10:20 AM, R. Arvid Nelsen wrote:<br>
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<div>UCSD uses relator terms extensively for both personal names and
corporate bodies and these are input into the master records at OCLC.</div>
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<div>~Arvid Nelsen</div>
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<div>R. Arvid Nelsen<br>
Coord. of Technical Services/Original Cataloger/Classical Studies
Librarian<br>
University of California, San Diego<br>
Mandeville Special Collections Library<br>
9500 Gilman Drive, 0175S<br>
La Jolla, CA 92093-0175<br>
Phone: 858-534-6766<br>
Fax: 858-534-5950</div>
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>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ejh@grolierclub.org">ejh@grolierclub.org</a> 12/05/06 06:05AM >>><br>
The Grolier Club also makes extensive use of relator terms, both for
individuals and corporate bodies.<br>
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At 08:55 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="cite" cite="" type="cite"><font face="Verdana"
color="#008080">Same for the Folger. Plus the many relators for
printers and booksellers identified as a corporate body, of the "710 2_
Haeredes Nicolai Bevilaquae, |e printer" variety <br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Hillyard, Brian<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006
6:20 AM<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">To: DCRM Revision Group List<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Relator
terms<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#000080" size="2">Bob<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#000080" size="2"><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#000080" size="2">One of
the most common uses of relators in 710 must be for indexing former
ownership by institutions (e.g. monastic, British Museum duplicates,
and so on). We would have hundreds if not thousands of these.<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#000080" size="2">Best
wishes<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#000080" size="2">Brian<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#000080" size="2">Dr
Brian Hillyard<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">Sent: 05 December 2006 00:10<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">To: DCRM Revision Group List<br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size="2">Subject: [DCRM-L] Relator terms<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Dear DCRMers,<br>
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<dd><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">We seem to be winding
down somewhat on the final touches to DCRM, so I thought I'd introduce
another topic entirely :-) Speaking of which, MANY congratulations and
thanks to Manon, Deborah, and all you others who have contributed so
much to this!</font><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">As many of you are, we
are an RLIN library working on the transition to OCLC. We've taped our
records to OCLC for years but never cataloged in the system. In order
to continue our PCC BIBCO work we recently applied for and were granted
the appropriate cataloging enhance statuses. However there was a small
glitch. OCLC wanted a set of sample records, and I chose a variety of
BYU original records that were already in OCLC through our tapeloading.
This sample included a few of my own cataloging records. Although we
were given the enhance status we needed, a few of the records were
returned to me with "problems" circled in red. And these "problems"
were all on my records and they were all instances where I had included
relator terms with added entries :-( </font><br>
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<dd><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">The OCLC examiners had
two issues: (1) LCRI 21.0D supposedly forbids the use of relator terms,
and (2) AACR2 only allows relators to be used with personal names, not
corporate bodies.<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Now the answer to (1)
seems fairly straightforward to me--LCRI 21.0D is explicitly labelled
"LC Practice", meaning it need not apply outside LC (and as a matter of
fact I happen to know that the LC Practice label was added specifically
so that BIBCO catalogers could use relator terms). <br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">The answer to (2) is a
little more tricky--frankly I had never dreamed that we couldn't use
"$e printer" or "$e publisher" after a corporate body (e.g. Arion
Press, $e printer or Book Club of California, $e publisher), but now
that it has been pointed out to me 21.0D does in fact say "In the cases
noted below, add [a] ... designation of function to an added entry for
a person". (MARC documentation certainly allows for use of relators
terms in 710 fields.) I was told by someone at LC that it had been
recently proposed to JSC to correct this and add corporate bodies to
the rule but it had been withdrawn pending RDA, but I don't remember
anything about such a proposal.<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">As the new kid on the
block I don't really want to get a reputation for belligerency (and in
fact I really don't WANT to be belligerent!) but I do want to clarify
this and so I intend to bring it up with the person who examined our
records, but after I've consulted you folks. It does seem to me that
relator terms add quite a bit of value to entries, especially
considering FRBR's emphasis on clarifying the relationships between
entities (e.g. between persons or corporate bodies and works,
expressions, manifestations, or items). They are also essential to the
indexing in our catalog. I am talking about relator terms, not codes,
by the way.<br>
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<dd><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">I'd be interested in
your thoughts, on two fronts: (1) I have been assuming that most of the
rare cataloging community does use relator terms in their work, but I
could be wrong--so I'd be interested in hearing what your practice is
(including do you use them with corporate bodies, and does your library
use them outside special collections cataloging); and (2) those of you
who are experienced OCLC catalogers, including enhance libraries, do
you use them in OCLC master records? I suppose one could enhance or
create the master record and then add relators to the local record but
that does seem a bit a shame to me ...<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">And of course anything
else you have to say about this issue would be of great interest. And
any other tips on becoming a successful OCLC cataloging entity!<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Thanks,<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Bob<br>
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<a name="OLE_LINK1"></a>Eric Holzenberg<br>
Director<br>
The Grolier Club <br>
47 East 60th Street<br>
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phone: 212/838-6690<br>
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Ryan Hildebrand, Special Collections and Archives Cataloger
UCI Libraries, P.O. Box 19557, University of California, Irvine, CA 92623-9557
Telephone: (949) 824-2263 | Fax: (949) 824-2472</pre>
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