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<font size=3>I also vote for just "ESTC" without any
qualifier. At Yale, we have been using the simple "ESTC"
since last year when we had to make a decision of what to do when ESTC in
RLIN went away.<br><br>
Jane<br><br>
At 03:19 PM 9/6/2007 Thursday-0400, Johnson, Elizabeth L.
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I also favor the simpler
ESTC" with no qualifer.<br><br>
If we do have to have a qualifer, I definitely would want
"oline" and not "on-line."<br><br>
Elizabeth Johnson<br><br>
Quoting Robert Maxwell <robert_maxwell@byu.edu>:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I absolutely agree about
"online", not "on-line", if we are going to<br>
qualify. The hyphenated form is obsolete.<br><br>
But I also favor more Deborah's solution of yesterday and Richard's<br>
suggestion today--simply "ESTC" with no qualifier.<br><br>
Bob<br><br>
<br>
Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian<br>
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568<br><br>
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From: dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]</blockquote>On<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Behalf Of Deborah J. Leslie<br>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:37 AM<br>
To: ElizRob@alum.emory.edu; DCRM Revision Group List<br>
Subject: RE: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC<br><br>
This makes sense.<br><br>
I question the hyphen. Standard citation forms gives Chicago manual
of<br>
style as its authority, and the Chicago manual of style gives the
11th<br>
ed. Of Webster's collegiate dictionary as its authority for
spelling.<br>
And Webster's has "online.<br><br>
We submitted to this authority when writing DCRM(B), and I
suggest</blockquote>that<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">SCF also submit to this
authority.<br>
__________________________<br>
Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.<br>
Head of Cataloging<br>
Folger Shakespeare Library<br>
201 East Capitol St., S.E.<br>
Washington, D.C. 20003<br>
202.675-0369<br>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]</blockquote>On<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Behalf Of Elizabeth
Robinson<br>
Sent: Thursday, 06 September, 2007 12:12<br>
To: dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<br>
Subject: Fwd: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC<br><br>
Here's the follow-up. The present proposal is for all<br>
the old, out-of-date citation forms (BLAISE, RLIN,<br>
microfiche [both editions], and CD-ROM) to remain<br>
noted in SCF as background info for present records<br>
that have such in their 510s (my suggestion). But for<br>
new work, the citation form would be<br><br>
ESTC (on-line)<br><br>
As noted yesterday, this was agreed to by Henry Snyder<br>
and Juliet McLaren, the initial question of what form<br>
for post-RLIN ESTC raised by Alan Degutis of AAS.<br>
Moira Goff at BL was also consulted.<br><br>
Some rationale from Henry: "It occurs to me there<br>
might be another alternative, ESTC (online). There are<br>
several hundred accounts working off our webpage. It<br>
is the same file, if you like a generic one,<br>
accessible through two webpages, bl and ucr. This<br>
would cover both or any other form of access that<br>
might be devised in the future. What we really want to<br>
indicate is the information is derived from the online<br>
access and implicit is the fact that it is under<br>
constant revision ..."<br><br>
Juliet suggested (and Henry later agreed) to the<br>
hyphenated "on-line".<br><br>
I have not yet moved this forward through CPSO and<br>
CDS, so if there is anything further, Randal, would<br>
you please cc me at the erob@loc.gov address on the<br>
final verdict?<br><br>
Thanks much.<br><br>
<br>
Elizabeth Robinson<br>
Team Leader<br>
Rare Book Team<br>
Special Materials Cataloging Division<br>
Library of Congress<br>
erob@loc.gov<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
--- Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304@yahoo.com> wrote:<br><br>
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT)<br>
> From: Elizabeth Robinson <vava_22304@yahoo.com><br>
> Subject: RE: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC<br>
> To: DCRM Revision Group List <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
><br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> Henry Snyder and Juliet McLaren made a formal<br>
> revised<br>
> submission for ESTC some months ago. I can tell you<br>
> what form they asked for on tomorrow when I have<br>
> access to my work files. As the maintenance editor<br>
> for<br>
> _Standard citations_, I basically insure submissions<br>
> meet the criteria listed in Working Principles and<br>
> the<br>
> final forms get to CDS for an update to _Standard<br>
> citations_ on Catalogers Desktop.<br>
><br>
> After I tell you what Henry and Juliet proposed, if<br>
> any of you have objections to the proposed form, I<br>
> suggest that you contact the two of them for further<br>
> deliberation. And, of course, if there is no<br>
> problem,<br>
> I will go ahead with the proposed forms.<br>
><br>
> Stay tuned.<br>
><br>
> Elizabeth Robinson<br>
> Team Leader<br>
> Rare Book Team<br>
> Special Materials Cataloging Division<br>
> Library of Congress<br>
> erob@loc.gov<br>
><br>
><br>
> --- "Deborah J. Leslie" <DJLeslie@FOLGER.edu>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Will,<br>
> ><br>
> > Although I was arguing the other way in the DCRM-L<br>
> > discussion, I have<br>
> > been persuaded by the arguments to just use<br>
> "ESTC,"<br>
> > which is what I've<br>
> > been doing since. One problem I ran across was<br>
> that<br>
> > I access the ESTC<br>
> > database most often through the STAR interface<br>
> > rather than the BL<br>
> > interface, and it just seemed too complicated and<br>
> > not very helpful to<br>
> > try to distinguish between them.<br>
> ><br>
> > How about this for a proposal: Use "ESTC" alone
in<br>
> > the 510 for any<br>
> > citation of the online database, whether from<br>
> > Blaiseline, RLIN, or the<br>
> > BL, while the CD-ROM and the microfilm versions<br>
> > should be qualified.<br>
> ><br>
> > __________________________<br>
> > Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.<br>
> > Head of Cataloging<br>
> > Folger Shakespeare Library<br>
> > 201 East Capitol St., S.E.<br>
> > Washington, D.C. 20003<br>
> > 202.675-0369<br>
> > djleslie@folger.edu |
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu<br>
> >
[<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On<br>
> > Behalf Of Will Evans<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September, 2007 09:44<br>
> > To: 'DCRM Revision Group List'<br>
> > Subject: [DCRM-L] Citing ESTC<br>
> ><br>
> > Has any consensus been reached as to how we should<br>
> > cite ESTC. I checked<br>
> > the<br>
> > RBMS archives, but I didn't find anything<br>
> > conclusive.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks in advance,<br>
> ><br>
> > Will<br>
> ><br>
> > BTW Kudos to all involved in the elegant and<br>
> > user-friendly redesign of<br>
> > the<br>
> > RBMS website!<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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> ><br>
><br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
> Elizabeth Robinson<br>
> vava_22304@yahoo.com<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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