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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>While it’s true that the participants manual says what
Richard says it does, I think this was more intended as guidance for websites
(e.g. home pages, etc.) and not databases, even though databases may reside on
the web. For example, we don’t write <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>670 OCLC, via WWW, Sept. 20, 2007 …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>even though we may well be searching OCLC via the web and certainly
at least are searching via the Internet even if we’re going in through
the Connexion client. Instead we simply write<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>670 OCLC, Sept. 20, 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Similarly the NACO manual instructs us to cite the LC catalog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>670 LC database, Sept. 20, 2007 …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I do see that one of the examples cited in the “WWW”
section of the NACO manual is FamilySearch, which is a database. Nevertheless, in
my own NACO work I am inclined to cite a database without the “via WWW”
or “WWW site” phrasing, particularly if the database’s name
includes the word “online.” (For this reason I would cite
FamilySearch as shown in the Manual––it doesn’t include the
word “online”) I think the word “online” indicates it’s
a remote access database and the actual method (WWW, direct connection, etc.) of
getting to it is not important. I would probably cite the database Deborah is
asking about as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>670 DNB online, Sept. 20, 2007 …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Actually, now I think about it, I DID cite it last week. I think
I didn’t abbreviate it that far––I can’t find the
record now, but I think this was how I cited it:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>670 Dict. of nat. biog. online, Sept. 15, 2007 …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe I did this because although <i>we</i> all know what
DNB stands for, probably most users of the authority file don’t. I’ve
actually found in my NACO training that very few catalogers know what some of
the mysterious acronyms we use mean. I asked last time I did training, when we
had a record before us with <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>670 WW in Am …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>on it, a pretty common abbreviation in the authority file, if
anyone knew what it meant and NOT ONE knew it meant “Who’s who in
America”. So I think we often abbreviate too much in these fields.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also remind one and all that NO wordings or formulas are
prescribed by PCC for 670––the NACO manual is presented as
guidance, not rules. Trainers are reminded to repeat this almost as a mantra
when training. The most important thing is clarity. There is also no
desire on the part of PCC that I know of for consistency from record to record,
so I don’t think we necessarily need to come up with a consensus on how
to cite any given work or database. But it is certainly worthwhile to discuss
possibilities and share suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Robert L.
Maxwell<br>
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian<br>
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble,
Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] DNB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Per the NACO Participants' Manual:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'> One of the three following constructions should
generally be used to cite Web pages:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a name="naco_601" id=0-0-0-1461></a><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>
[Title or name] WWW site, [date of search]: $b [location] ([information])</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a name="naco_602" id=0-0-0-1463></a><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>
[Title or name], via WWW, [date of search]: $b [location] ([information])</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a name="naco_603" id=0-0-0-1465></a><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>
[Title or name] WWW home page, [date of search]: $b ([information])</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Which seems to call for: Oxford DNB, via WWW, [date of search] ...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The examples given follow this pattern even when the resource name
includes "on-line" or the like.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Richard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] DNB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>How are folks citing the
new DNB</span> <span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>online</span> <span
style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>in the 670 in authority records?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>DNB </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>DNB (Online)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Oxford DNB (Online)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The same in 675’s?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a name=""><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>__________________________</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Deborah J.
Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Head of
Cataloging</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Folger
Shakespeare Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>201 East
Capitol St., S.E.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Washington,
D.C. 20003</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>202.675-0369</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>djleslie@folger.edu
| <a href="http://www.folger.edu">http://www.folger.edu</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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