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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";
color:teal'>Hebrew then must use the first letter of the alphabet to signify 1,
the second to signify 2, and so forth, if you can’t tell whether it’s
a numeric or alphabetic sequence. So, use the rules for recording them as a numeric
sequence. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rettberg,
Dan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 25 January, 2008 15:00<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] From Dan Rettberg, HUC Library, Cincinnati<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'>Thanks, Deborah, for your reply. I don't mean to cause confusion at
this late hour, the book being already published, but either my memory is fuzzy
or perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. So far as I am aware, apart from
context, there is no way to distinguish between alphabetic and numeric
sequences of Hebrew/Aramaic characters. I checked with one of my Israeli
colleagues here at HUC, and she agrees. In the case of signature markings added
in both Hebrew characters and Arabic numerals, I assume one could say that that
is sufficient context to determine that a numeric sequence is meant, but with
those sequences displaying signature markings only in Hebrew characters, I
would say all bets are off. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Dan Rettberg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Rare Book and Manuscript Bibliographer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:blue'>Klau Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:blue'>Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Cincinnati, Ohio</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>drettberg@huc.edu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu, January 24, 2008 4:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] From Dan Rettberg, HUC Library, Cincinnati</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";
color:teal'>Hi Dan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:teal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";
color:teal'>The division of the rules has nothing to do with whether
there is a mixture of Arabic and nonroman signatures, but whether the
nonroman signatures express a numeric sequence or an alphabetic sequence. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:teal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";
color:teal'>7B9.7 applies to all signature statements containing nonroman <b>numeric</b>
sequences. This can apply to a mixture of Arabic numerals and nonroman numerals,
as well as Hebrew (Greek, Church Slavic, &c.) <b>numeric</b> sequences
only. If I remember your research, nearly all Hebrew signings follow a numeric
sequence, right? You had to look hard to find some that expressed an alphabetic
sequence. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:teal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";
color:teal'>7B9.8-11 applies to <b>alphabetic</b> sequences of nonroman
characters. 7B9.8 is the general rule. It is then followed by particular rules
for Greek (7B9.9) and Hebrew (7B9.10). Then we move into the scripts for which
printers did not follow standard sequence (Church Slavic), or where a standard
sequence is not known (7B9.11). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:teal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:teal'>__________________________</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:teal'> <br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:teal'>Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. <br>
Head of Cataloging <br>
Folger Shakespeare Library <br>
201 East Capitol St., S.E. <br>
Washington, D.C. 20003 <br>
202.675-0369 <br>
djleslie@folger.edu | <a href="http://www.folger.edu">http://www.folger.edu</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rettberg,
Dan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 11 January, 2008 12:32<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] From Dan Rettberg, HUC Library, Cincinnati<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Hello all--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I was reading in DCRM B this morning on the subject of non-Roman
signatures (specifically those signed in Hebrew script) and find I remain a bit
confused on the subject. There are two separate paragraphs dealing in some way
with Hebrew script signatures, namely 7B9.7 on Nonroman signatures
(numeric sequence) and 7B9.10 Hebrew alphabetic signatures. I thought I
followed and understood the outcome of the discussion of this matter on this
list, but apparently I missed something. Is 7B9.7 meant to apply to those
signature statements that include both Hebrew characters and Arabic numerals
and 7B9.10 meant to apply to those expressed in Hebrew characters only?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Dan Rettberg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Rare Book and Manuscript Bibliographer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:blue'>Klau Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Cincinnati, Ohio</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>drettberg@huc.edu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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