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face="Bookman Old Style" color=#0000ff>A couple of remarks:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=500410515-28082008><FONT
face="Bookman Old Style" color=#0000ff>- It ought (per "What would Bowers do?")
to be 2pi. The superscript index figure is reserved to designate a
duplicate series.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Bookman Old Style" color=#0000ff>- If you cannot ascertain the actual
structure of a group of leaves, you shouldn't guess at a formula. There's
nothing wrong with honestly writing "pi(5 leaves)" or "17(5 leaves)", with a
brief account of what you don't know (for a perfectly good reason in this
case).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Bookman Old Style" color=#0000ff>- Is this an American book? Of what
period? It may be that the signatures have nothing to do with the actual
printing of the book. Of course, if your note is simply headed "Signatures"
(rather than "Collation"), you're only transcribing a set of printed
marks--all the more reason to be very "conservative" as to what they may or may
not represent. Such notes are very useful for matching with
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kate
Moriarty<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> DCRM
Revision Group List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DCRM-L] Signature practice with odd
leaf number<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Ken,<BR><BR>This sounds as good as you can get it without access
to the sewing. A couple of suggestions I'd make are give the second pi
designation as a superscript "2" and bracket the "1" of the first signed
signature since it's inferred, to read:<BR><BR>
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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'">17<SUP>4</SUP>
</SPAN>chi1 18<SUP>4</SUP></P><BR>In case the superscripts don't make it through
email: pi[superscript 4] [superscript 2]pi1 [1]-16[superscript 8] 17[superscript
4] chi1 18[superscript 4]<BR><BR>-Kate<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Ken Rockwell <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:ken.rockwell@utah.edu">ken.rockwell@utah.edu</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Well,
here I go displaying my inexperience... It'll take some time to get all
the variants in signature statements down, so thought I'd try a little public
embarrassment and throw out this "odd" one:<BR><BR>I have a book with 5
preliminary leaves (roman numeral x on last), an unsigned gathering of 8, then
the signatures kick in with numeral 2 through 16 in eights; gathering 17 has 5
leaves, and gathering 18 (with heading "Supplement") has 4. [Book is a
2nd edition, so the supplement may have been added with this edition.]
The binding is too tight to find the sewing, so I can't tell which leaf
in either groups of 5 is the extra.<BR> Here's my stab at a signature
statement: pi4 2pi1 1-16⁸ 17⁴ chi1 18⁴<BR><BR>Did I handle
the odd leaves correctly?<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>--Ken
Rockwell<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Kate S.
Moriarty, MSW, MLS<BR>Rare Book Catalog Librarian<BR>Pius XII Memorial
Library<BR>Saint Louis University<BR>3650 Lindell Blvd.<BR>St. Louis, MO
63108<BR>(314) 977-3098<BR><A
href="mailto:moriarks@slu.edu">moriarks@slu.edu</A><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>