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<p class=MsoPlainText>I trust that no one was offended by the out-spokenness ("rather
... sternly reminded," as Richard Noble put it) of my message. Those "knowledgeable"
of me:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>know that I used to earn my living as a cataloguer,
and<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>tolerate my sense of humor.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I'm always favorably impressed and inspired by the
SERIOUSNESS and CREATIVITY of this group in finding solutions.<span
style='font-size:7.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Donald Farren<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>Chevy Chase, MD 20815-5238<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>dfarren@concentric.net<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>voice 301.951.9479<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>fax 301.951.3898<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>mobile 301.768.8972<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] On Behalf
Of Noble, Richard<br>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:10 AM<br>
To: rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu; DCRM Revision Group List<br>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] ESTC and the revision of SCF</p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>In an ideal world, the 510 field would function as in
ISTC, with its<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>choice of expanded or condensed references to accommodate
those in the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>know and those not--and those who need a reminder. SCF
would be the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>underlying public and technical reference database, not
just another<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>proprietary professional grimoire.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>The market we address necessarily includes (as Donald
Farren rather ...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>sternly reminded us) users who may have reason to consult
resources<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>outside fields in which they are expert at the acronymic
level. In most<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>cases it is possible to provide an author keyword or two
and enough of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>the title (without abbreviations and over-concern about
length) to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>indicate the nature of the reference and to serve as the basis
for a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>reasonably precise catalog/database search.
"Adams" and "Evans" and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>"Sabin" really must give way to something a bit
more self-explanatory<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>and less likely to produce about 112,000,000 Google hits
(result from<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>search on "evans"). These traditional citations
may unite the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>cognoscenti who receive the posher sale catalogs, but
they separate us<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>even from our colleagues the next desk over.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>In such cases as ESTC or ISTC, surely we can extend this
principle to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>formulate the reference as, e.g. "English short
title catalogue (ESTC)"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>or "Incunabula short-title catalogue (ISTC)",
both of which phrases I<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>just cut, pasted, and lower-cased from those websites.
(And since it's<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>possible in some such cases, we might encourage the use
of the 856 field<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>or other linking device(s) to take users to the database,
or even the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>particular entry.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>There will be work involved in revising catalog records,
though I<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>suspect that many (most?) institutions that make use of
such references<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>can globally update phrases in specific fields (MARC hath
yet its uses).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I do believe that it would be worth the effort, if only
to preserve a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>little longer our ability to provide this information at
all, in the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>face of those who urge us to "get over
ourselves" and, I guess, throw<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>over our more educated users.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY :
BROWN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>UNIVERSITY<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 :<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU <o:p></o:p></p>
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