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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My inclination would be to use the full form
“engraver”, as your example indicates.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Daniel J. Rettberg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rare Book and Manuscript Bibliographer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Klau Library <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of
Religion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2
  color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>3101 Clifton Avenue</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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  color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>Cincinnati</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color=navy
 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
 w:st="on">OH</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">45220-2488</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>drettberg@huc.edu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, <st1:date
Year="2008" Day="28" Month="10" ls="trans" w:st="on">October 28, 2008</st1:date>
<st1:time Minute="41" Hour="18" w:st="on">6:41 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> afra@loc.gov<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [DCRM-L] Name authorities
for engravers</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Dear
colleagues,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I'm
of two minds about a potentially useful (also, potentially stupid)</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>descriptive phrase on
headings or references for engravers, and I'd like to hear other perspectives.</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>(I</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>know I</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>could shoot this question to
Autocat, but would</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:
Calibri'>like to hear</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:
Calibri'>first</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>what
those say who are likelier to have dealt with this and similar issues.)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>When
faced with a surname only followed with &quot;sculp.&quot; or variation on
something I'm cataloging, I can sometimes spend quite a long time figuring out</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>whether this person has
already been established in NACO because I don't know his first name.</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>My proposed remedy: make</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>a reference</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>on the NAR</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>from the surname</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>only</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>with</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>&quot;sc.&quot; as</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>a descriptive phrase,</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>so that someone scanning a
heading result list would quickly zero in on the &quot;sc.&quot;</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>(example: 400 Starling,</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>‡c sc.).</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>You can</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>find</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>headings</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>already</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>established</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>in NACO</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>with &quot;sculp.&quot; used</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>as an addition to a
surname-only</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>heading</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>to break a conflict</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>(example:</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>100</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>Andre,</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>‡c</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>sculp.).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>The
problem of course is that</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri'>&quot;sc.&quot; and its</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>variations mean</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>&quot;engraved it,&quot;</span></font>
<font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>not</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>&quot;engraver.&quot;&nbsp;</span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Would
it be appropriate to</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:
Calibri'>continue the practice of using the abbreviation of a Latin verb phrase
as a descriptive phrase? Or would it be more appropriate to provide an English
approximation of what &quot;sculpsit&quot; indicates rather than</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>using</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>the phrase itself</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>(example: 100</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>Rivers,</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>‡c engraver). In any case, would
it be helpful to provide cross references when</span></font> <font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'>a name appears on works without
a forename but with &quot;sculp.&quot;?.)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>This
has become a pressing topic for us since we're in the midst of a grant project
to catalog and digitize</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri'>images relating to Shakespeare, and we'll be
submitting lots of NARS for engravers.</span></font> <font face=Calibri><span
style='font-family:Calibri'>I'd be grateful to hear your thoughts.</span></font>&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana'>__________________________</span></font><font
face=Calibri><span style='font-family:Calibri'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S.<br>
Head of Cataloging<br>
Folger Shakespeare Library<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">201 East Capitol St., S.E.</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Washington</st1:City>, <st1:State
 w:st="on">D.C.</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">20003</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
202.675-0369<br>
djleslie@folger.edu |</span></font> <a href="http://www.folger.edu"><font
size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>http://www.folger.edu</span></font></a><font
size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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