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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5C4676'>I was a little surprised not to see this addressed in DCRM(B),
because I remember discussing this exact problem in the context of fully
incorporating the 19c and later into the rules. The popularity of lithography,
especially chromolithography, in the 19c means there are lots of books out
there with plates incorporated into the pagination. Now that I think about it,
it may have been discussed at the 2003 DCRMB working conference, but then
forgotten and so never made it into the text. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5C4676'>My inclination is opposite of Richard's for a library catalog
record. Not that I wouldn't agonize all over again should I have to catalog such
a volume, but it seems cleaner and more comprehensible to include the plates in
the statement of text*, and make a note specifying which page numbers are in
fact plates. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5C4676'>*I think I'll write a separate email on this, but by
"statement of text" I mean the first part of the statement of extent.
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard
Noble<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 01:50<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Pagination includes plates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agonized about this for a while, then decided that the
principle that trumps all is the strictest possible separation in the treatment
of letterpress and plates, the final test being a proper correlation between
the pagination statement and the collational formula. The printer's method of
numbering, and degree of success or failure in following it, are secondary to
the integrity of the structural description.<br>
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It's messy--i.e. you'll need to do some explaining--no matter what you do, but
it always seemed more confusing, and to require more complicated explanation,
if I tried to treat the plates and the letterpress leaves as an integrated
sequence.<br>
<br>
A good example (or ill, depending on whether or not you think this is the
correct approach) is no. 101 in the Malkin catalogue, <i>Dancing by the Book</i>
(in Amherst Coll. special collections GV1643.M36 2003), where the formula
(minus diacritics and with superscripts lowered) is:<br>
<br>
8o: engr. ti. + a4 A-D8 [$4 (-a2,3,4, A4) signed]; 36 leaves, pp. [<i>8</i>]
1-12 17-28 31-34 39-40 49-52 55-56 59-60 63-64 74-77 80-81 84-85 94-103 108-111
<i>112-113</i> [=64] + plates, ff. [<i>6</i>], pp. [<i>58</i>]<br>
<br>
Of this it is noted, "The first part consists of the engraved title page
followed by a letterpress text into which 35 leaves of numbered engraved plates
have been inserted. The gaps in the letterpress page count allow for these
numbered plates, though the result is not perfect ...", followed by a
couple of yards of discursive goose chase through the vagaries of numbering and
occasionally misnumbering plates to fit into letterpress gaps. I think it's
much better to reserve such crankiness for the notes and keep the formula
clean: 72 pages ([64] + <i>8</i>) = 36 leaves of letterpress, with just this
gappy pagination. The letterpress is quite simple, and it helps immensely to
establish that up front as the background to the more complicated story of the
plates.<br>
<br>
It's quite possible that a case where the numberings line up properly would fit
well enough into a single pagination register, but I prefer to have a good
general rule that can handle the harder cases and still not make too much of a
mess of the simpler ones. The dance books demanded a lot of this sort of
extrapolation from WWBD ("What Would Bowers Do"), since Bowers never
dealt with books of this sort; but I think that Bowers had it right about
making plates and letterpress stand in opposite corners. (If I had it to do
over again, the Malkin catalogue rule of thumb would have been "What Would
Allan Stevenson Do", since the best model would have been his volume of
the Hunt catalogue.)<br>
<br>
In the case cited, that would mean: pp. [i-iv] ix-xii, to be described as a
4-leaf gathering with a non-letterpress bifolium inserted between leaves 2 and
3 and counted by the printer as pp. [v-viii], 'cause that's what it is. That
reflects the fastidiousness of an obsessive bibliographer. Recalling that we
librarians have only just begun treating an engraved title page as a plate, I
suppose there might be some dissent among my colleagues.<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN
HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU </tt><br>
<br>
</span>At 3/16/2009 07:04 PM, John Lancaster wrote:<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have a 19<sup>th</sup>-century book in which there are two
leaves of engraved plates that are clearly not part of the letterpress sheets
(paper is completely different in color, thickness, and texture), but that are
included in the pagination. I can find no guidance in DCRM(B) for the
correct way to record this (any solution will require a note in addition to the
pagination and illustration statement), and welcome any thoughts on both the
specifics and the general issue. I’m sure there are other examples
out there.<br>
<br>
The details are: The first gathering in the book is a normal gathering of
4 leaves letterpress, with the two (conjugate) leaves of plates (one an
engraved title page) nested within the letterpress, sewn as a single gathering
of 6 leaves. Most pages are unnumbered, but the paging of the letterpress
ends: ix, x, xi, xii. A new gathering begins with page 1 of the text, and
the rest of the book is unremarkable.<br>
<br>
Many thanks.<br>
<br>
--<br>
John Lancaster (<a href="mailto:jlancaster@amherst.edu">jlancaster@amherst.edu</a>)<br>
P.O. Box 775<br>
Williamsburg, MA 01096-0775<br>
413-268-7679<br>
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