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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I&#8217;m going to <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
 w:st="on">ILL</st1:place></st1:State> that book right now.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></font></b></strong><font
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 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:navy'>Lyle E. Buettner</span></font></b></strong></st1:PersonName><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Special Collections</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Concordia Seminary Library</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2
  color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>801 Seminary Place</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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  color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
 w:st="on">MO</st1:State>&nbsp; <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">63105</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>phone: 314-505-7035</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>fax: 314-505-7046</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="mailto:buettnerl@csl.edu">buettnerl@csl.edu</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joseph Ross<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:47
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">DCRM
 Revision Group List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">dleslie@folger.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DCRM-L] question
regarding date</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Lyle,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I have not seen
these before in imprints, but I have seen discussions of these numbers.&nbsp; Karl
Menninger mentions them in his discussion of Roman numerals in Number Words and
Number Symbols (<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dover</st1:place></st1:City>,
1969).&nbsp; I only have the German text in front of me.&nbsp; The English
translation is checked out.&nbsp; But it should not be hard to find.&nbsp; The
discussion of Roman (German) numerals is in v. 2, p. 90 of the German
text.&nbsp; Menninger cites some German account books which use this notation
and inn a church date.&nbsp; For 1859 Gulden: I(superscript M) viij
(superscript)C lix Gulden. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>In most cases the C
is superscript but not always.&nbsp; XV . </span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>C. et II (=1502) MVI (superscript c) XII (=1612).&nbsp; </span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>This was also used outside of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
 w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region>.&nbsp; Menninger quotes a
papal bull which uses the notation.&nbsp; Menninger thinks that it is an
attempt to establish place value in Roman numerals, at least to a certain
extent.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I hope this
information is helpful.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>buettnerl@csl.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:26
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">dleslie@folger.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DCRM-L] question
regarding date<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Deborah,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I attached two files.&nbsp; The list serv
may strip them out, so I cc&#8217;d a copy to your Folger email.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The attached items are some German
translations of Erasmus.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lyle<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></font></b></strong><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><strong><b><font size=2
 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
 color:navy'>Lyle E. Buettner</span></font></b></strong></st1:PersonName><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Special Collections</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Concordia Seminary Library</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2
  color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>801 Seminary Place</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
  color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>St. Louis</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color=navy
 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
 w:st="on">MO</st1:State>&nbsp; <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">63105</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>phone: 314-505-7035</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>fax: 314-505-7046</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="mailto:buettnerl@csl.edu">buettnerl@csl.edu</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 24, 2009
11:22 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">DCRM
 Revision Group List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DCRM-L] question
regarding date</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#5c4676" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#5C4676'>Lyle,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#5c4676" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#5C4676'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#5c4676" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#5C4676'>I don't think I've
seen that kind of date formulation before. Is there any chance you could get an
image for us? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#5c4676" face=Calibri><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>buettnerl@csl.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 23 March, 2009 12:40<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [DCRM-L] question
regarding date<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sehr geehrte Kollegen,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I ran across an odd date form on Friday, which I
hadn&#8217;t seen before.<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>&nbsp; I
assume others have seen</span></font> it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>For a 1521 date I had: &#8220; Mv[superscript c]xxj &#8220;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In my 260 |c, I went ahead and entered &#8220;Mv[superscript
c]xxj [1521]&#8221;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I assume that was correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>(The printer was Johann Schoeffer in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
 w:st="on">Mainz</st1:place></st1:City>; source: VD 16)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>leb<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><strong><b><font size=2
 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Lyle E. Buettner</span></font></b></strong></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Special Collections</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Concordia Seminary Library</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2
  face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>801 Seminary
  Place</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
  face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>St. Louis</span></font></st1:City><font
 size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State
 w:st="on">MO</st1:State>&nbsp; <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">63105</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>phone: 314-505-7035</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>fax: 314-505-7046</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:buettnerl@csl.edu">buettnerl@csl.edu</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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