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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Lyle,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have not seen these before in imprints, but I have seen
discussions of these numbers.&nbsp; Karl Menninger mentions them in his
discussion of Roman numerals in Number Words and Number Symbols (Dover,
1969).&nbsp; I only have the German text in front of me.&nbsp; The English
translation is checked out.&nbsp; But it should not be hard to find.&nbsp; The
discussion of Roman (German) numerals is in v. 2, p. 90 of the German
text.&nbsp; Menninger cites some German account books which use this notation
and inn a church date.&nbsp; For 1859 Gulden: I(superscript M) viij
(superscript)C lix Gulden. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In most cases the C is superscript but not always.&nbsp; XV . </span><span
lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>C.
et II (=1502) MVI (superscript c) XII (=1612).&nbsp; </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This
was also used outside of Germany.&nbsp; Menninger quotes a papal bull which
uses the notation.&nbsp; Menninger thinks that it is an attempt to establish
place value in Roman numerals, at least to a certain extent.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I hope this information is helpful.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>buettnerl@csl.edu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> dleslie@folger.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] question regarding date<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Deborah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I attached two files.&nbsp; The list serv may strip them out, so I
cc&#8217;d a copy to your Folger email.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>The attached items are some German translations of Erasmus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Lyle<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></strong><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Lyle E. Buettner</span></strong><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'>Special Collections</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'>Concordia Seminary Library</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>801 Seminary Place</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>St. Louis, MO&nbsp; 63105</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>phone: 314-505-7035</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>fax: 314-505-7046</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><a href="mailto:buettnerl@csl.edu">buettnerl@csl.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] question regarding date</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5C4676'>Lyle,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5C4676'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5C4676'>I don't think I've seen that kind of date formulation before. Is
there any chance you could get an image for us? <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#5C4676'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>buettnerl@csl.edu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 March, 2009 12:40<br>
<b>To:</b> dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] question regarding date<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sehr
geehrte Kollegen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
ran across an odd date form on Friday, which I hadn&#8217;t seen before.<span
style='color:navy'>&nbsp; I assume others have seen</span> it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For
a 1521 date I had: &#8220; Mv[superscript c]xxj &#8220;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
my 260 |c, I went ahead and entered &#8220;Mv[superscript c]xxj
[1521]&#8221;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
assume that was correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(The
printer was Johann Schoeffer in Mainz; source: VD 16)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>leb<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Lyle
E. Buettner</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Special
Collections</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Concordia
Seminary Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>801
Seminary Place</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>St.
Louis, MO&nbsp; 63105</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>phone:
314-505-7035</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>fax:
314-505-7046</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:buettnerl@csl.edu">buettnerl@csl.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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