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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'>Even though in cataloging we are primarily intent on
transcribing content, there are nevertheless provisions for the cataloger to interpret
meaning conveyed visually on the resource. Richard's choice and mine are both
perfectly valid for Randy's example, but I would caution against trying to come
up with a principle or even a rule of thumb, but apply judgment to each such situation
on its own merits. For example, I would probably not repeat the
"chez" if the printer information was given in a single clause
instead of two. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'>I'm sure this is why we decided to refrain from making a rule
about it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'>By the way, a note is optional regardless of whether the second "chez"
is supplied. Here's an idea for the new Examples: have the cataloging examples
represent a variety of options. We would be doing ourselves a disservice if
every example was full-on bells and whistles. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#003300'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#003300'>__________________________</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#003300'> <br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#003300'>Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. <br>
RBMS Chair 2009-2010 | Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library <br>
201 East Capitol St., S.E. | Washington, D.C. 20003 | 202.675-0369 <br>
djleslie@folger.edu | <a href="http://www.folger.edu/">http://www.folger.edu</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#003300'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 18 February, 2010 10:29<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>I don’t think “Chez” bears repeating, in part because the curly
brace is really just a mark of punctuation akin to a colon, the equivalent of
“Chez: AB at the sign of the Three White Leopards; CD at the Aged Eagle; ...”
(well, yesterday was Ash Wednesday).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>The whole typographic arrangement is designed specifically to <i>avoid</i>
repetition of “Chez”, and I think we should respect its purpose and always
transcribe “Chez” once, no matter how many booksellers it applies to. The
multi-line brace and the disposition of type together constitute a meaningful
graphic feature that can’t be transcribed but can easily be described in a
note.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>RICHARD NOBLE :
RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY<br>
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eduardo Tenenbaum<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 15, 2010 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Revision Group List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>What
happens when, as in Annie’s case, there are 6 names on the other side of the
left brace? I can see supplying “Chez” once (i.e., when two names are listed).
With three or more names, supplying a second or more “Chez” could look silly,
especially when the explanatory note is included.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randal Brandt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 5:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Since I actually did catalog this particular example, here's
how I did it:<br>
<br>
A Paris : $b Chez Brunet, libraire, rue de Marivaux, au Théâtre italien : $b
[Chez] Vente, libraire des menus plaisirs du roi, rue des Anglois, près celle
des Noyers, $c MDCCLXXXIII [1783]<br>
<br>
What I did not do, however, was make the note. I'll correct that oversight.
This is a fairly common occurrence in French imprints (I'm not so sure about
other languages), with the individual publishers or booksellers not
grammatically linked in any way except the "Chez" and a brace.<br>
<br>
It will be great to include this and similar types of examples in Examples to
Accompany DCRM(B)!<br>
<br>
Randy<br>
<br>
Deborah J. Leslie wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>Yes, Eduardo's right. In that case, I would supply the second
Chez in square brackets as the first word of the second ‡b, and make a note. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eduardo Tenenbaum<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 12 February, 2010 16:47<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Revision Group List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>I
think Stephen is right, except the second bookseller would be transcribed as a
subsequent statement, i.e. separated by a space-colon-space, yes?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>(In
the example there’s a full stop after the first bookseller.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Eduardo
Tenenbaum</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Princeton
University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen A Skuce<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 4:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I don't think we've included a rule for this, and I can't
remember why not, but the practice is pretty clear, I think.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You definitely would not transcribe "Chez" more than
once; it only appears once.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would give the 260 roughly as:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>$b Chez Brunet Libraire … , Vente Libraire …, $c
MDCCLXXXIII [1783]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>and definitely include a note:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>500 On title page, the publishers are
gathered by a left brace, relating each name to the word "chez."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Stephen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Stephen Skuce</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Rare Books Program Coordinator</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>MIT Room 14N-118</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>77 Mass. Ave.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cambridge MA 02139-4307</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>617.253.0654</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ann W. Copeland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 12, 2010 4:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] transcription of info following curly bracket</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>All,<br>
<br>
I remember talking about this question at the time of DCRM(B) publication, but
can't locate the rule. <br>
<br>
In a situation where Chez appears once but is clearly meant to apply to both
names following a left curly bracket, would we supply [Chez] in transcribing
the second name? <br>
<br>
Randy Brandt has supplied a link to an example (THANKS, Randy): <br>
<a
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7321780@N05/3927303845/in/set-72157608697679123">http://www.flickr.com/photos/7321780@N05/3927303845/in/set-72157608697679123</a>
<br>
<br>
(Attn: Nina and Eduardo - This would be a good discussion point for the <i>Examples
to Accompany DCRM(B). </i>I have a book with six names following a left curly
bracket!)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Annie Copeland<br>
Penn State University <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>__________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Randal Brandt<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Principal Cataloger<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The Bancroft Library<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(510) 643-2275<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu">rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="http://bancroft.berkeley.edu">http://bancroft.berkeley.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"It's hard enough to remember my opinions without <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>remembering my reasons for them"--The Streets.<o:p></o:p></pre></div>
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