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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For some reason, I thought we would need one … now that I
think again, I’m not sure why.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks chas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>Bracketed 250? What would you put in it? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles
F Tremper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 14:02<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Revision Group List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear all—Given how much the text varies (as I’ve
looked more closely at the 2) in terms of both size and distribution on the pages,
it’s pretty clear that different plates were used. So it sounds like a
new record with a bracketed 250 …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The book is: The life of Louis Kossuth, governor of Hungary
… / P.C. Headley. Auburn : Derby & Miller, 1852. There
are a number of OCLC records, including e-versions; OCLC record #33884951 has
an Auburn printer (Knapp & Peck); our book has Auburn printer Oliphant and
lacks a numbered printing statement. There are a number of other records
based on printings; none matches our pagination, or has publisher statement
with the ampersand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks, chas.t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble,
Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>The extent of variation, as you describe it, makes it highly
unlikely that these were printed from plates derived from the same setting of
type. In any case, extensive modification of existing plates is important, if
it rises to the level of revision, as seems to be the case here, a distinction
which would be lost in treating these as impressions in a single, which tends
to obscure the existence of significant variants. If you change the master
record, you only hide the NYC printing bringing forward the Auburn one. In
separate records you can flag the differences easily enough by adding subf. e,f
to the 260 and if necessary a bracketed 250.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>If you have access to both variants, be aware that anything that
doesn’t vary should not vary <i>at all</i>, and should clearly have been
printed from the same or identical pieces of metal: the exact alignment of type
should be the same except where the plates have been corrected. A test: if you
lay a strait-edge from a given point at the top of the type page to a given
point at the bottom it should cross the intervening unmodifed lines at exactly
the same points. If it doesn’t, it’s a different setting of type,
i.e. a different edition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>What is the book?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>RICHARD NOBLE :
RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY<br>
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>They could be printed with the same plates, the latter having
corrections made to them. If this is the case, and since the publisher is the
same, they would only be different impressions. Charles, it sounds like you
have access to the both texts of both. Can you tell whether they seem to be the
same setting of type? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Schneider,
Nina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 11:50<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Since there seem to be changes throughout, it sounds like a
different edition. I would create a new record. You could add a note about the
NYC imprint.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>+-------<br>
Nina Schneider<br>
Head Cataloger<br>
William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<br>
2520 Cimarron Street<br>
Los Angeles, CA 90018<br>
<br>
323-731-8529<br>
nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu<br>
</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles F Tremper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] printing variations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dear
all—I have 2 versions of an 1852 Auburn, NY imprint. One chief
difference is printer, with one printed in Auburn, the other in NYC.
There are minor differences in how t.p. appears (typeface and use of
ampersands), but both have the same publication and copyright dates.
However, there are minor differences in pagination and some variations, not all
minor, in content and order of material. The OCLC records for both print
and electronic versions reflect the NYC variant. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I
am uncertain as what to do on OCLC; SU Library is not yet creating
institutional records and I’m not sure I see a justification for a new
master OCLC record, since the total number of pages is the same, with the
Auburn printing having a gap of 9 numbers between the Roman and Arabic
sequences where the NYC version has no gap.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Would
replacing the OCLC master record with information on the variant version be the
best way to proceed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks,
chas.t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Charles
F. Tremper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Catalogue
Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Special
Collections Research Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Syracuse
University Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>(315)
443-9775<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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