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DCRM(B) does not allow for bracketed information in edition statements,
except in special cases covered under 2B4. If necessary, distinguish
between these types of "editions" by using notes. <br>
<br>
And, it was Richard who first brought up bracketing 250 information
(see below), which was the only quibble that I had with his advice <span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
<br>
Randy<br>
<br>
<br>
Charles F Tremper wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For
some reason, I thought we would need one … now that I
think again, I’m not sure why.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
chas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Palatino Linotype","serif"; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);">Bracketed
250? What would you put in it? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Palatino Linotype","serif"; color: rgb(153, 51, 102);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Charles
F Tremper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 14:02<br>
<b>To:</b> 'DCRM Revision Group List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear
all—Given how much the text varies (as I’ve
looked more closely at the 2) in terms of both size and distribution on
the pages,
it’s pretty clear that different plates were used. So it sounds like a
new record with a bracketed 250 …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The
book is: The life of Louis Kossuth, governor of Hungary
… / P.C. Headley. Auburn : Derby & Miller, 1852. There
are a number of OCLC records, including e-versions; OCLC record
#33884951 has
an Auburn printer (Knapp & Peck); our book has Auburn printer
Oliphant and
lacks a numbered printing statement. There are a number of other
records
based on printings; none matches our pagination, or has publisher
statement
with the ampersand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,
chas.t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Noble,
Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;">The
extent of variation, as you describe it, makes it highly
unlikely that these were printed from plates derived from the same
setting of
type. In any case, extensive modification of existing plates is
important, if
it rises to the level of revision, as seems to be the case here, a
distinction
which would be lost in treating these as impressions in a single, which
tends
to obscure the existence of significant variants. If you change the
master
record, you only hide the NYC printing bringing forward the Auburn one.
In
separate records you can flag the differences easily enough by adding
subf. e,f
to the 260 and if necessary a bracketed 250.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;">If
you have access to both variants, be aware that anything that
doesn’t vary should not vary <i>at all</i>, and should clearly have
been
printed from the same or identical pieces of metal: the exact alignment
of type
should be the same except where the plates have been corrected. A test:
if you
lay a strait-edge from a given point at the top of the type page to a
given
point at the bottom it should cross the intervening unmodifed lines at
exactly
the same points. If it doesn’t, it’s a different setting of type,
i.e. a different edition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;">What
is the book?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">RICHARD
NOBLE :
RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY<br>
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 :
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU">RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU</a> </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; color: blue;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Palatino Linotype","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">They
could be printed with the same plates, the latter having
corrections made to them. If this is the case, and since the publisher
is the
same, they would only be different impressions. Charles, it sounds like
you
have access to the both texts of both. Can you tell whether they seem
to be the
same setting of type? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: "Palatino Linotype","serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Schneider,
Nina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 02 March, 2010 11:50<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] printing variations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: blue;">Since
there seem to be changes throughout, it sounds like a
different edition. I would create a new record. You could add a note
about the
NYC imprint.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">+-------<br>
Nina Schneider<br>
Head Cataloger<br>
William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<br>
2520 Cimarron Street<br>
Los Angeles, CA 90018<br>
<br>
323-731-8529<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a><br>
</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center">
<hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles F
Tremper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] printing variations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Dear
all—I have 2 versions of an 1852 Auburn, NY imprint. One chief
difference is printer, with one printed in Auburn, the other in NYC.
There are minor differences in how t.p. appears (typeface and use of
ampersands), but both have the same publication and copyright dates.
However, there are minor differences in pagination and some variations,
not all
minor, in content and order of material. The OCLC records for both
print
and electronic versions reflect the NYC variant. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">I
am uncertain as what to do on OCLC; SU Library is not yet creating
institutional records and I’m not sure I see a justification for a new
master OCLC record, since the total number of pages is the same, with
the
Auburn printing having a gap of 9 numbers between the Roman and Arabic
sequences where the NYC version has no gap.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Would
replacing the OCLC master record with information on the variant
version be the
best way to proceed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Thanks,
chas.t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Charles
F. Tremper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Catalogue
Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Special
Collections Research Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">Syracuse
University Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";">(315)
443-9775<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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