Just to add to your support - I would love to see this as a free-floating subdivision. We would make great use of an expanded form.<br><br>-Kate<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Dooley,Jackie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dooleyj@oclc.org">dooleyj@oclc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This discussion offers a terrific example of how rare book
catalogers can contribute to simplification of cataloging without sacrificing
useful data: make the blinkin’ subdivision free-floating already! <span style="font-family: Wingdings;">J</span> Bob, I hope the SAC subcommittee finds a
ton of other subdivisions that can have their application greatly simplified in
addition to this one. Complex nuances such as that currently applied to the “Early
works to 1800” subdivision are the sort of triviality that give cataloging its
well-deserved reputation for excessive complexity—and that prevent catalogers from
fully applying their sophisticated brains to the aspects of their work that
matter.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lots of other interesting and useful thoughts expressed throughout
this thread too. Kudos to all!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jackie</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">P.S. Don’t get me started on |x History and |x Sources …</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jackie Dooley</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert
Maxwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 23, 2010 11:21 AM<div class="im"><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Early works to 1800</div></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, all,</p><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m on a SAC subcommittee making recommendations for the
disposition of the genre/form subdivisions established as 185 records in the
subject authority file. We’re discussing the subdivision —Early works to 1800
right now.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, I assume we want to be able to continue using this as
a subdivision in 650 (etc.), correct?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Second, would there be interest in expanding its scope? At
the moment it’s only allowed “under names of countries, cities, etc., and under
classes of persons, ethnic groups, and topical headings for individual works
written or issued before 1800.” E.g., it can’t be used under names of persons
in 600 fields; in addition, SCM 1576 forbids its use in the following
situations:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">5.
When <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% khaki;">to</span> omit the subdivision</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">.</span></i><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> Do not
use the subdivision in situations for which the passage of time is of little
consequence, including the following: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1282c896e0b7ad20_ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10159"></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">· under names of
persons, corporate bodies (except for geographic names), or individual <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% khaki;">works</span> (except sacred works) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1282c896e0b7ad20_ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10160"></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">· historical <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% khaki;">works</span>; chronologies </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1282c896e0b7ad20_ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10161"></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">· under headings
with dates, or period subdivisions; under headings with period qualifiers, for
example, <b>Science, Ancient</b> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1282c896e0b7ad20_ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10162"></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">· <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% khaki;">works</span> of belles lettres; <span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% khaki;">works</span> about belles lettres</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would personally like to see the subdivision become
completely free floating, i.e., allowed in any subject string without the
omission requirements of SCM 1576. What do the rest of you think?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Third, would there be interest in establishing the term
“Early works to 1800” (or something similar) as a genre/form term, allowing its
use in 655? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bob </p>
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