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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>This is categorically a genre heading, the genre being that of works
written before 1800, regardless of publication date. In FRBR terms, it characterizes,
by a chronological criterion, the work or expression; it has nothing to do with
the date of any one manifestation, for which descriptive information in the
record ought to be adequate in such matters as enabling access and controlling use;
if it is not, then the catalogue is defective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'>Texts of a work (editions/issues) are issued; works as such are not—they
can be ‘published’, a less precise term. Those in existence as
unpublished works before 1800 are ‘Early works to 1800’ regardless
of the date of their initial publication, which might well take place two
centuries or more later, or not at all, in the case of a manuscript. Indeed, the
subdivision is most useful in its application to modern editions. It would be
fatal to its utility if its function were to be confused with that of dating
books.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:blue'>RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN
UNIVERSITY<br>
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU </span><span
style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Attar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Early works to 1800<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'>This all sounds
excellent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'>While the
subdivision $vEarly works to 1800 is being reviewed, is it timely to reconsider
its scope in another respect? The present instruction to apply it to works
‘written or issued before 1800’ means that it should be applied to
any modern edition of an early text with relevant subject headings. Thus
content is the primary consideration, not form.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'>Does the rare book
cataloguing community want to retain current usage, to indicate primarily that
the content of the work may be of historical rather than of current interest?
Or would it prefer to restrict the subdivision to works issued before 1800, as
a way of flagging up that the item being catalogued is not borrowable, will
have to be read in an invigilated reading room, etc.? This would turn it into a
form subdivision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'>Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Dr Karen Attar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Rare Books Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Senate House Library, University of London<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Senate House<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Malet St<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>London<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>WC1E 7HU<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2010 15:38<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Early works to 1800<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>As to "Early works...", it looks as if the
community is of one accord. Keep and apply ad lib. If I had my druthers, one
could also or alternatively use "Works, Xth century", as a more fine-grained
way of dating the work, not the publication: very FRBR, that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:blue'>RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN
UNIVERSITY<br>
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU </span><span
style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Bookman Old Style","serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randal Brandt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 23, 2010 5:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Early works to 1800<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I'll keep this simple:<br>
<br>
1. Keep the subdivision: Yes!<br>
2. Expand its scope: Yes!<br>
<br>
Thanks, Bob.<br>
<br>
Randy<br>
<br>
Robert Maxwell wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hello, all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I’m on a SAC subcommittee making recommendations for
the disposition of the genre/form subdivisions established as 185 records in
the subject authority file. We’re discussing the subdivision —Early
works to 1800 right now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>First, I assume we want to be able to continue using this as
a subdivision in 650 (etc.), correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Second, would there be interest in expanding its scope? At
the moment it’s only allowed “under names of countries, cities,
etc., and under classes of persons, ethnic groups, and topical headings for
individual works written or issued before 1800.” E.g., it can’t be
used under names of persons in 600 fields; in addition, SCM 1576 forbids its
use in the following situations:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>5.
When <span style='background:khaki'>to</span> omit the subdivision</span></i></b><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>.</span></i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> Do not
use the subdivision in situations for which the passage of time is of little
consequence, including the following: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10159></a><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>· under
names of persons, corporate bodies (except for geographic names), or individual
<span style='background:khaki'>works</span> (except sacred works) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10160></a><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>· historical
<span style='background:khaki'>works</span>; chronologies </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10161></a><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>· under
headings with dates, or period subdivisions; under headings with period
qualifiers, for example, <b>Science, Ancient</b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10162></a><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>· <span
style='background:khaki'>works</span> of belles lettres; <span
style='background:khaki'>works</span> about belles lettres</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I would personally like to see the subdivision become
completely free floating, i.e., allowed in any subject string without the
omission requirements of SCM 1576. What do the rest of you think?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Third, would there be interest in establishing the term
“Early works to 1800” (or something similar) as a genre/form term,
allowing its use in 655? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Bob <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Robert
L. Maxwell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Special
Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Genre/Form
Authorities Librarian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>6728
Harold B. Lee Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brigham
Young University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Provo,
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<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>__________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Randal Brandt<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Principal Cataloger<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The Bancroft Library<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(510) 643-2275<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu">rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="http://bancroft.berkeley.edu">http://bancroft.berkeley.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"It's hard enough to remember my opinions without <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>remembering my reasons for them"--The Streets.<o:p></o:p></pre></div>
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