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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My take on this is that there's
a rule missing from DCRM(B), and its absence really hits those of us working
with 19th- and 20th-century publications.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>4A6.2.2 states in part,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>"if the manufacturer is
known not to be the publisher … and the identity of the publisher can be
determined or reasonably surmised … supply the name of the publisher … in
square brackets and transcribe the manufacturer statement as such according to
the instructions in 4E, 4F, and 4G."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>What we need is a rule 4A6.2.3:
for when the manufacturer is "known not to be the publisher," but the
identity of the publisher CANNOT be determined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>For me there's a disconnect
here: If we can "reasonably surmise" the identity of an unnamed
publisher, then the name of some insignificant jobber whose name appears in
tiny type in the colophon of a 1910 publication is relegated to parentheses at
the end of the publisher area. Sounds good to me; that's precisely what the $ efg
and the parentheses are for. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>But if, for the next title in
our cataloging backlog, we cannot guess who the publisher was, then that very same
jobber -- essentially, an Edwardian era Kinko's -- is suddenly elevated to the
status of publisher. To put it another way: we "know" the
manufacturer is not the publisher. But we transcribe it as the publisher
anyway?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The information in 4A6 does a
very good job of noting the sometimes subtle, sometimes nonexistent distinction
between publisher and printer in the hand-press period. For the machine-press
period it's also very clear, except that there it's saying something else: that
the difference between publisher and printer became distinct and meaningful,
and mere printers "came to be subordinate." So why should we, in
effect, pay attention to 4A6 only part of the time? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The problem hits us when we
catalog modern publications, where a manufacturer is a manufacturer … except
when he isn't because we ran out of rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Deborah is right that there is
no provision at all for [S.l. : s.n., date] (place : publisher, date) in
DCRM(B). I wish there were an explicit provision. The question now is whether
we can apply a more generous reading of the rules that are there. Does the want
of a rule imply that a practice is forbidden? (I really am asking a question; I
don't think it does, but I don't know in this case.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Stephen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Barrett, Marcia; DCRM Revision Group List; BIBCObox@loc.gov<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Springer; jxa16@psulias.psu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] BSR/Rare Books<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>Thanks for your careful consideration of these issues, Marcia.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>Please note that none of the rules relating to any of the areas
are to be restricted to hand-press or machine-press only, and area 4
encompasses the largest set of augmentations in order to explicitly include
machine-press books. (Except for area 6, which didn't exist in DCRB). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>The rules in question are 4A6.2.1-2. Since you are talking about
situations where there are statements relating only to manufacture, that
statement is to be transcribed in the place, name, and date of publishing,
distribution, etc. The only exception to that is for the kind of situation
you're invoking below, for when there is a manufacture statement only, but the
manufacturer is known not to be the publisher. If the publisher is known or can
be reasonably surmised, supply that information in the place, name, and date of
publishing, etc., and put the manufacture in the place, name, and date of
manufacture. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>I see no provision at all for [Sl. : s.n., date] ‡e
(<place> : ‡f <manufacturer>, <date>). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#993366'>Would some of the other B editors and those involved in the
revision of DCRB please give your readings of this situation vis-à-vis
the rules?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Barrett, Marcia
[mailto:mbarrett@ua.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 27 April, 2010 16:02<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List; BIBCObox@loc.gov; Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: BSR/Rare Books<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>On behalf of the group that
worked on the draft BSR for Rare Books, I’d like to respond to the points
Deborah has raised. The Task Group has taken some time to consider this,
particularly the issues associated with area four. This raises questions
about how to interpret the instructions for area four and points to an
important discussion for the DCRM community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>DCRM(B) rule 4A6 and its
explanatory footnote clearly separate the issues of how the roles of publisher
v. manufacturer were different in the hand press period than they were in the
19<sup>th</sup> century and beyond. We believe the intention here is to
allow for accurate transcription of all permutations found in
publisher/manufacturing statements. Deborah’s statements are true for
books of the hand-press era. The text prepared for the 260 portion of the
BSR for Rare Books took into account that the majority of situations would fall
into the possibility of recording either publisher or printer in $a-b.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>However, our understanding of
rule 4A6 and its explanatory footnote is a broad interpretation that allows for
the possibility of an instance where “[S.l. : s.n.] ; <date> $e
(<place> : $f <printer>)” could exist. The scope of the BSR
for Rare Books does not exclude books printed after 1800. It is these
later materials, where only information related to printing is found on the
item and publication information is unknown, that call for such an
allowance. As an example, a 19<sup>th</sup> century or later book may
have no publisher statement and very small printed text in the colophon giving
the name and location of the stereotyping or collotyping. This
constitutes an absence of true publication information, and we believe that
rule 4A6 and its footnote agree with the rationale for recording this
information in the $e-f in this instance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>With regard to the two notes in
question for the BSR for Rare Books, the MAP was modeled on the Books
BSR. The Task Group agrees that it would be appropriate to drop the 505
note from the MAP and to add a note (Mandatory if Applicable) for transposition
of transcribed text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marcia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>Marcia Barrett<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>Special Collections Cataloger<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>University Libraries<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>The University of Alabama<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>Box 870266<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>Tuscaloosa AL 35487-0266<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNoSpacing>205-348-6390<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 22, 2010 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BIBCObox@loc.gov<br>
<b>Cc:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] BSR/Rare Books<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>Carolyn
and colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>Thank
you for the opportunity to comment on the BSR drafts. I've read over the BSR
for Rare Books and think it is a fine document, with only a couple of places
that still need refinement. (With contrite apologies to my RBMS colleagues for
not catching these while the BSR draft was still in the drafting stage.) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>Field
260</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>
‡e‡f‡g, reads: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>Lacking substantive information for ‡a
and/or ‡b, supply useful information in manufacturer subfields.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>This
instruction to supply helpful information in subfields ‡e‡f‡g violates the rules
for area 4. See especially 4A6, which elaborates (in great detail!) the
relationships between publication/distribution and manufacture in the
hand-press era and how to treat them. The only time 260 ‡e‡f‡g may be used is
when an item 1) bears both a publisher, distributor, etc., statement and a
manufacturer statement, 2) the publisher is emphasized over the manufacturer,
and 3) the two statements are grammatically separable. (4A6.3.2.2) If an
item does not bear substantive information, the cataloger uses subfields ‡a‡b‡c
to supply whatever information can be had. I recommend dropping these three
subfields entirely from the BSR for Rare Books. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>505</span></b><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'> Formatted
contents note. DCRM(B) 1D2.3 makes it clear that transcribing formal contents
is optional. Is it appropriate for an optional note in the rules be elevated to
a Mandatory if Applicable note in the BSR?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>5xx
</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>The
text in the MAP makes it apparent that all notes required in DCRM(B) are also
Mandatory if Applicable to the BSR. One 500 note, on the source of the title
proper, is given in the list. There is another type of required note that I
believe to be as important as the source of the title proper and a lot more
common: any transposition of transcribed text is to be noted. (1B1.2 etc.) I
recommend adding this note to the MAP.</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>__________________________</span>
<br>
<span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. <br>
RBMS Chair 2009-2010 | Head of Cataloging, Folger Shakespeare Library <br>
201 East Capitol St., S.E. | Washington, D.C. 20003 | 202.675-0369 <br>
djleslie@folger.edu | <a href="http://www.folger.edu/">http://www.folger.edu</a>
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