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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It may be of interested that in the Jewish
world we mostly view classical texts written long before 1801 as of continual
interest. It would make no sense to me to add “Early works …”
to a 2006 printing of Maimonides’ “Mishneh Torah” (composed
in the 12<sup>th</sup> century). Practically speaking this subheading at least
for large Judaica collections makes more sense as another means of breaking
down long lists of printings of ancient or medieval works than it does as a
means of indicating that the work itself was composed before modern times. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In short:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Do
keep the subdivision.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Do
expand its scope.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Do
make it free-floating.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Daniel J. Rettberg, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rare Book and Manuscript Bibliographer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Klau Library<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of
Religion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>drettberg@huc.edu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 26, 2010 10:38
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DCRM-L] Early works
to 1800</span></font><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>As to "Early works...", it looks as if the
community is of one accord. Keep and apply ad lib. If I had my druthers, one
could also or alternatively use "Works, Xth century", as a more fine-grained
way of dating the work, not the publication: very FRBR, that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:blue'>RICHARD NOBLE
: RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">BROWN</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">UNIVERSITY</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
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w:st="on">RI</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">02912</st1:PostalCode></st1:place>
: 401-863-1187/FAX 863-2093 : RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Randal Brandt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 23, 2010 5:38
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [DCRM-L] Early works
to 1800<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>I'll keep this simple:<br>
<br>
1. Keep the subdivision: Yes!<br>
2. Expand its scope: Yes!<br>
<br>
Thanks, Bob.<br>
<br>
Randy<br>
<br>
Robert Maxwell wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hello, all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>I’m on a SAC subcommittee making recommendations
for the disposition of the genre/form subdivisions established as 185 records
in the subject authority file. We’re discussing the subdivision —Early
works to 1800 right now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>First, I assume we want to be able to continue using
this as a subdivision in 650 (etc.), correct?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Second, would there be interest in expanding its
scope? At the moment it’s only allowed “under names of countries,
cities, etc., and under classes of persons, ethnic groups, and topical headings
for individual works written or issued before 1800.” E.g., it can’t
be used under names of persons in 600 fields; in addition, SCM 1576 forbids its
use in the following situations:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>5. When <span style='background:khaki'>to</span> omit
the subdivision</span></font></i></b><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-style:italic'>.</span></font></i><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>
Do not use the subdivision in situations for which the passage of time is of
little consequence, including the following: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10159></a><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>· under
names of persons, corporate bodies (except for geographic names), or individual
<span style='background:khaki'>works</span> (except sacred works) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10160></a><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>· historical
<span style='background:khaki'>works</span>; chronologies </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10161></a><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>· under
headings with dates, or period subdivisions; under headings with period
qualifiers, for example, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Science, Ancient</span></b>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name=ScmsubjUNDERSCORE10162></a><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>· <span
style='background:khaki'>works</span> of belles lettres; <span
style='background:khaki'>works</span> about belles lettres</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>I would personally like to see the subdivision become
completely free floating, i.e., allowed in any subject string without the
omission requirements of SCM 1576. What do the rest of you think?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Third, would there be interest in establishing the
term “Early works to 1800” (or something similar) as a genre/form
term, allowing its use in 655? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Bob <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Robert L. Maxwell</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog
Librarian</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Genre/Form Authorities Librarian</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>6728 Harold B. Lee Library</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>__________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Randal Brandt<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Principal Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The Bancroft Library<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(510) 643-2275<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="mailto:rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu">rbrandt@library.berkeley.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://bancroft.berkeley.edu">http://bancroft.berkeley.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"It's hard enough to remember my opinions without <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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