<font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif">Many thanks to Jackie and Co. for the work that they are doing. Still, if I recall certain MASC (now called ... I keep forgetting) sessions, it appears that the fields to be retained are essentially those defined as local/copy-specific. The problem is that much information that contributes substantially to our knowledge of manifestations is contained in the general-level notes (almost all 500) of individual records. James Ascher has hinted, under another heading (?--I'm stuck in gmail, which gloms messages together in "conversations" and makes it hard to track correspondence threads), at the more Wiki-like approach that makes sense in a research-oriented environment.</font></font><div>
<font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif">I'm treating master records more and more as dynamic records subject to change based on evidence as it comes to light, but the OCLC paradigm makes for a classic "turning a battleship in a bathtub" problem.That doesn't lessen my gratitude to those who are grappling with it with the correct principles firmly in mind.</font></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif"><br clear="all"></font></font><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY<br>PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-3384 : <a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank">RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU</a> </font><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Dooley,Jackie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dooleyj@oclc.org">dooleyj@oclc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regarding Liz’s last comment about OCLC and the desirability of making
all rare book information more accessible … OCLC is currently working very hard
toward this goal. Some of you may recall that OCLC’s Matt Goldner convened a
working group of rare book and archival cataloging experts two years ago to
study this in the context of WorldCat Local; both the wg’s report and OCLC
response are on the RBMS Bib Standards Committee’s website at <a href="http://www.rbms.info/committees/bibliographic_standards/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.rbms.info/committees/bibliographic_standards/index.shtml</a>
(scroll to bottom of the page).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">It may be fair to say that display and indexing of full data
from cataloging members was the working group’s #1 priority—and of course the
most difficult one to achieve, since storing bibliographic information beyond
the master record is the polar opposite of the long-standing WorldCat paradigm.
Nevertheless, much work is going on internally to define the MARC bib fields
that it’ll be possible (when implemented) to retain in LHRs (library holdings
records).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">A good conversation about this issue occurred on this listserv earlier
this year.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Jackie Dooley</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Program Officer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">OCLC Research and the RLG Partnership</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">949.492.5060 (office/home)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">949.295.1529 (mobile)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:dooleyj@oclc.org" target="_blank">dooleyj@oclc.org</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Elizabeth O'Keefe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 27, 2010 4:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> List, DCRM Revision Group<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ascher, James P.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] FW: BYU's 1st RDA/DCRMB record</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Analysis
of this sort would be very valuable, but it would be difficult to do in Open
WorldCat, which is where most of our users (as opposed to catalogers)
search. The results would be skewed because many DCRM(B) records are loaded
as Institution Records (IRs), which are invisible to users of Open
WorldCat. There is a similar problem with trying to analyse use of
copy-specific information, such as provenance, bindings, watermarks,
annotations, etc., which is also restricted to the IRs. OCLC would do
the dcrm community a great service if they could come up with ways to make all
rare book information more accessible, whether it takes the
form of copy-specific data, or the enhanced descriptions prescribed
by DCRM(B).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Liz
O'Keefe</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Elizabeth
O'Keefe<br>
Director of Collection Information Systems<br>
The Morgan Library & Museum<br>
225 Madison Avenue<br>
New York, NY 10016-3405<br>
<br>
TEL: 212 590-0380<br>
FAX: 212-768-5680<br>
NET: <a href="mailto:eokeefe@themorgan.org" target="_blank">eokeefe@themorgan.org</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Visit
CORSAIR, the Library’s comprehensive collections catalog, now on<br>
the web at<br>
<a href="http://corsair.themorgan.org" target="_blank">http://corsair.themorgan.org</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">>>>
"Schaffner,Jennifer" <<a href="mailto:schaffnj@oclc.org" target="_blank">schaffnj@oclc.org</a>> 8/27/2010 11:50 AM
>>></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">This
community discussion is very helpful and enlightening. Y</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">all are kicking up
important </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">“</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">pickles,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> er, issues. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">I,
too, was </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">‘</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">privileged</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> to hear Karen Calhoun</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">s talk. It occurs to me
that – facing RDA - it will be helpful for our community to have solid evidence
and studies of use, especially users</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> use (and not just our
own use), of dcrm records. Does anyone have analytics of catalog use,
especially analytics of successful searches (from catalogs or from the web)
that land on dcrm records? Does anyone have weblogs or search logs that are
sufficiently granular to demonstrate which fields are sought, used, and found
successfully? (As many of you know, I</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">ve been chasing these
for two years or so.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">Rumors
of OCLC Research</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">s interest in facilitating discussion with our community of
preference for dcrm records are quite true. It was Glenn Patton</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">s idea. Jackie and I had
offered to bring Glenn to RBMS@ALA Midwinter. The offer stands.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">Please
contact me offline!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:boo;color:#1F497D">Jennifer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">*******************************************</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">Jennifer Schaffner</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">Program Officer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">OCLC Research and the RLG Partnership</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">650.287.2140</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.oclc.org/research/" target="_blank">http://www.oclc.org/research/</a></span></p>
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