<font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif">If you were in RBS Des Bib, I'd have the right to tell y'all that the right way to describe this is pi^2 A^6 ... etc. The <i>printing </i>formula is A^8; but in the <i>issue</i> formula for the correctly finished book you always describe the structure in terms of the relationships of the bifolia (folds). To call these eight leaves A^8 leaves you with a formula that is, quite simply, incorrect: that superscript 8 has a very unambiguous meaning. (This is the most basic of all rules for this species of notation.)</font></font><div>
<font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="4"><font face="garamond,serif">You may still--really should--explain how this bit of structure came about, since you need to make it clear that the frontispiece leaf is not a plate. Also, </font></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: garamond, serif; font-size: large; ">assuming that gathering A includes signatures, it may be that, say, leaf A2 in the book as bound is signed A3--in which case it must be noted as missigned. ("Missigned" doesn't necessarily mean that the printer made a mistake; it simply means that the signature doesn't correspond to the structure of the finished book.) If there are no signatures before B, the right formula would be [A]^2 chi^6 ..., though there's (just) wiggle room for debate about the designation of the second gathering.</span><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Randy,<br>
<br>
I would stay away from your first example; there is no need to separate<br>
'A' out of the sequence, since the parenthetical doesn't affect the<br>
number of leaves, but only gives more information about the content. One<br>
way is to put this kind of information after a semi-colon at the end of<br>
the signature statement. I.e., Signatures: A-Z[superscript8]; A8 is the<br>
frontispiece.<br>
<br>
I like the wording of your note, though, which could be used along with<br>
or instead of the information as part of the signature statement.<br>
Perhaps a slight tweaking, something like: Leaf A8 is back-folded to<br>
form the frontispiece.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
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Subject: [DCRM-L] Frontispiece conjugate with t.p.<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"> I'm trying to come up with a clear (and elegant) way to describe a<br>
frontispiece that integral to the first gathering and is conjugate with<br>
the title page. I have seen several examples of this situation, and a<br>
couple of different ways to express it, and would appreciate it if<br>
anyone on this list has something better to offer.<br>
<br>
Here's the deal: In, for example, an octavo, the frontispiece<br>
illustration is printed on the verso of the last leaf (A8) of the first<br>
gathering. The sheet is folded and opened (at least partially) before<br>
binding, A8 is then folded around so that it precedes A1, thus forming a<br>
<br>
frontispiece that is conjugate to the t.p. (A1). Assuming the page<br>
numbering starts with A1, the page number of B1 is then 15, and so on.<br>
<br>
Here are some ways of expressing this in the catalog record:<br>
<br>
Example 1:<br>
Signatures: A[superscript 8] (A8=frontispiece) B-Z[superscript8]<br>
Note: Frontispiece is conjugate with title page<br>
<br>
Example 2:<br>
Signatures: A-Z[superscript8]<br>
Note: Leaves A1.8 folded to form frontispiece (leaf A8) and title page<br>
(leaf A1)<br>
<br>
<br>
Any preferences for either of the above examples? Any other ideas? I've<br>
looked through Bowers and Gaskell and cannot find anything like this.<br>
(Most of the examples like this I have seen have been in German<br>
imprints.)<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Randy<br>
<br>
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