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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>I checked our copy of America, 1671. We have [8] leaves of single
plates (engraved portraits+engr. t.p.), [47] plates printed on "double
leaves," and [2] folded plates. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>Each of the 47 double-size plates are attached to a stub and
fold out from the middle. In thinking more about this, I would consider them to
be [49] folded leaves of plates—the 47 folded at the center and the 2 more attached
to stubs bound at the left side. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regarding terminology: the final leaf contains instructions
about placing the "whole-sheet prints" which is quite descriptive. I
advise against using the phrase "double plates;" it's ambiguous even
to catalogers, let alone researchers and other staff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is how I will update the 300‡a in our record (not yet in
OCLC).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>[8], 674, [2] p., [57] leaves of plates (49 folded) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a
href="http://shakespeare.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=136531">http://shakespeare.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=136531</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Back to my original answer, I was envisioning separate
plates on folio leaves, designed in such a way so that when bound facing each
other, they would portray a single image. If that <i>were</i> the case, I'd
still say that each plate needed to be counted separately, and more information
about the content of the plates could be made in a note. But it's not the case.<span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble,
Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 02 December, 2010 10:37<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Question about 5B9.1: counting leaves of plates
folded and bound at the inner margin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;
font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>Why? Because we have an overly restricted use
of "double". Plates printed on "double leaves" are not the
same as "double plates", but the latter phrase is not used in DCRM(B)
(is it?). The instruction to regard a double plate as 2 leaves of plates, <i>without
further qualification in the extent statement itself </i>(which <i>is</i> provided
for in the case of folded plates) introduces what may well be (and always
is potentially) an inherently copy-specific element into the basic description.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;
font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>At a minimum, double plates should never be
counted as 2 leaves without making a note. At best, that's a work-around, since
the extent statement taken by itself (as it often will be taken) remains
ambiguous. I'd also assert that whenever some copies have plates bound as
doubles that are bound as folded plates in at least one other copy, the latter
should be preferred as ideal copy--which requires a note of explanation (notes
regarding tolerable variants being vital elements of a truly descriptive
record). As a maverick at heart (or is that a claim one might avoid after
2008?), in the absence of copies known to have the plates folded I'd stick a
qualifier into the extent statement, such as "15 leaves of plates
(including 2 double plates)", which could be more or less safely matched
to and replaced by an alternate description of a new copy in hand with "13
leaves of plates (2 folded)". (A real maverick uses "or" in
extent statements. I guess I'm a real one. "Or" has the virtue of
forcing the reader to look for a note.)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;
font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>These double plates are to be distinguished
from e.g. the case of separate images printed as a bifolia or other leaf
multiples, including standard imposition formats, and clearly intended to be
bound as such.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>RICHARD
NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY<br>
PROVIDENCE, RI 02912 : 401-863-1187/FAX 863-3384 : <a
href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank">RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU</a>
</span><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Bryan, Anna <<a
href="mailto:abry@loc.gov">abry@loc.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>One of the advantages of working in a very large
collection as I do is to see that what is in one copy double plates is in
another folded plates. My guess is that it depended on the binder, and is
not standard across copies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>This is why when I have double plates, I always add the
note: The plates are double.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>And, I frequently need to amend the description in
copy-specific notes because other copies are just as complete and have a
different arrangement. Sometimes folded plates are cut down to the plate
marks and squeezed into the binding as single leaves of plates. And so
forth.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>This is only my experience; I've never heard others
comment on this. Do others also find this to be the case?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Anna R. Bryan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Senior Cataloger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Rare Materials Section</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>US Anglo Division</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Library of Congress</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Washington, DC 20540</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>I speak only for myself.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Question about 5B9.1: counting leaves of plates
folded and bound at the inner margin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Rebecca,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'>I'm afraid that
each of those images spread across two leaves and bound in the middle are to be
counted as [2] leaves of plates (distinct from folded leaves, which by
definition can be unfolded.) DCRM(B) is not departing from previous practice.
Any special information about the content of the plates – such as that
there are 57 images on 107 plates – can be put in a note. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'>By the way, I
looked up this title myself in OCLC, and the only dcrb record that I saw was
ESTC cataloging in a Huntington record. Unfortunately, despite the coding, the
ESTC frequently employs non-standard practices and cannot provide a reliable
model for standard rare book cataloging. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'>I also noticed
that many records have '32' or '[32]' leaves of plates, while others have '57'
or '[57]'. Just think what a service you'll do, Rebecca, by creating an
fully-correct and authoritative record for this title?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>McCallum, Rebecca<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 15:35<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Question about 5B9.1: counting leaves of plates folded
and bound at the inner margin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello
everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’d
like to make sure that I’m correctly understanding DCRM(B) 5B9.1, specifically
the sentence that says: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>“Count
a plate folded and bound at the inner margin as two leaves of plates.”</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m
currently editing our bib record for John Ogilby’s “America: being the latest,
and most accurate description of the Nevv VVorld…” published in 1671.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
book is full of plates that are folded and bound at the inner margin, as
described in 5B9.1, but which really each represent a single image or map
printed as a single leaf.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In
various records in OCLC (none of which are DCRM(B) records, and only one of
which is DCRB), the number of leaves of plates is generally listed as
[57]. However, if I count those folded plates as two leaves, the total
count should really be [107] leaves of plates. Is DCRM(B) departing from
previous practice here? If so, how can I indicate that there are really
only 57 images, rather than 107?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank
you for any clarification on this!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-
Rebecca<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rebecca
McCallum<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cataloging
Librarian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Wesleyan
University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>252
Church Street<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Middletown,
CT 06457<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(860)
685-3839<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a
href="mailto:rmccallum@wesleyan.edu" target="_blank">rmccallum@wesleyan.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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