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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree wholeheartedly with this logic and approach. In
fact, as a researcher I have benefitted from notes that document just the kinds
of things Erin mentions: attributions, matters of bibliographic history, etc. --
as I am sure others on this list have as well. The phrasing
suggested below would remind the cataloger he or she could add such notes even
though the rules for other descriptive areas do not say to do so.
Some may contend that discussing matters of phrasing at this level of detail is
too involuted, however in this case the result will be catalog records that
help researchers. I applaud that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mark
H. Danley, Ph.D.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Catalog Librarian/Associate Professor</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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of Memphis</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>126
Ned R. McWherter Library</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>901-678-8236</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Blake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 27, 2011 9:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] DPC: minor wording change to 7A1.1 for clarity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ahaaaaa... now I think I’m getting it (after talking with
Deborah off-line about this). Notes are especially important for recording
information for which no provision is made elsewhere. It’s not that the
rules exclude the information from the other areas, it’s that some types
of information have no corresponding ISBD area. There <b>is</b> provision for
recording a lengthy title in Area 1, so although you could also abridge it in
area 1 and put the whole thing in a note, notes aren’t especially
important for recording title information. There is no
“attributions” area, or “bibliographic history” area,
though, for example, so the note area is especially important for that type of
information. <br>
<br>
New proposed revision:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>7A1.1.</span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>
Notes qualify and amplify the formal description, and are especially </span><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>important</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> for
recording</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>
types of </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>information </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>not covered by areas 1 through 6</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<br>
<br>
EB.<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><br>
--------------------------------------------------</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'> <br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Erin C. Blake, Ph.D. | Curator of Art & Special
Collections | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 E.
Capitol St. SE | Washington, DC 20003-1004 | office
tel. (202) 675-0323 | fax: (202) 675-0328 |
eblake@folger.edu | www.folger.edu</span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah
J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 23, 2011 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] DPC: minor wording change to 7A1.1 for clarity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>The
original text is really quite clumsy, but the problem with the proposed
revisions is that it sounds like rules are doing the excluding. They are not;
catalogers are doing the excluding on the basis of the rules. Is something like
this better? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>7A1.1. Notes
qualify and amplify the formal description, and <s>. They</s> are especially
appropriate for recording information <b>not provided for in</b> <s>that rules
exclude from</s> other areas of the description.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>That is (in case
the bold and strikeout gets stripped)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>7A1.1. Notes
qualify and amplify the formal description, and are especially appropriate for
recording information not provided for in other areas of the description.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu
[mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Meyer-Roux<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 23 May, 2011 12:25<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] DPC: minor wording change to 7A1.1 for clarity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>I find Manon's
sentences to be the clearest. Shouldn't the "<strong><span
style='font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>may</span></strong>" be
omitted though, to keep in line with the more direct meaning of the
original sentence Erin was working on, so as to have the following: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>7A1.1. Notes
qualify and amplify the formal description. They are<br>
especially appropriate for recording information that rules exclude from other
areas of the description.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>Karen<br>
<br>
>>> Manon Theroux <manon.theroux@gmail.com> 5/21/2011 9:55 AM
>>><br>
The DCRM(B) sentence is a carryover from DCRB. I never found it<br>
confusing. But, I guess some do? Responding to Lenore's suggested<br>
wording:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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