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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi, Nina,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'>There actually is a rule in <i>Std. Cit’ns</i>, but it’s a little difficult to recognize as such. It’s on p. xxv, under “Numeration”, 2nd paragraph. But first you need to remind yourself that it is not showing the MARC coding, then it will make more sense. All it says is, “For short standard citations (i.e., single last name or acronym citation forms), separate the citation form from the number by one space”. So, Goff $c D-143, really turns out to look as the example shows: Goff D-143 (and so on).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'> --Jain<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'>Jain Fletcher<br>Principal Cataloger & Head, Cataloging Section<br></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'>Collection Management Division </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'> <br>Library Special Collections <br>Young Research Library - UCLA Box 951575<br>Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'>v: (310) 794-4096<br>f: (310) 206-1864<br>e: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:blue'><a href="mailto:jfletchr@library.ucla.edu" title="mailto:jfletchr@library.ucla.edu"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif"'>jfletchr@library.ucla.edu</span></a> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'>..-.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:.-.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:center;line-height:115%'><b><span style='font-family:Papyrus;color:#7030A0'>Pedantry and mastery are opposite attitudes toward rules. <br>To apply a rule to the letter, rigidly, unquestioningly, in cases where it fits and in cases where it does not fit, is pedantry... <br>To apply a rule with natural ease, with judgment, noticing the cases where it fits, and without ever letting the words of the rule obscure the purpose of the action or the opportunities of the situation, is mastery. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:center;line-height:115%'><b><span style='font-family:Papyrus;color:#7030A0'>George Polya, professor of mathematics (1887-1985)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:blue'>.-~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:._,_.:~*~:..</span><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Californian FB","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Schneider, Nina<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 22, 2011 12:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List (dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu)<br><b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] a question came up during the close reading of Examples<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I know there are a lot of opinions, but is there a rule that states whether to use a comma after the title portion of the citation. I can’t find a specific rule except a mention of a “final comma” relating to the addition of page numbers in the printed version of Standard Citations (p. xxiii). So, based on what I can surmise from examples in Standard Citations, it occurs to me that the only time a cataloger would include a comma between the title portion and the location portion of the reference would be when the title portion ends in a number.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So, this:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>510 4_ Hoover, A.B. Old order Mennonite bib. (In his Jonas Martin era, p. 981-1105), <span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>‡</span>c 132<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>510 4_ ESTC <span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>‡</span>cT345<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>But, I also see (on p. xxvii of S.C.), this:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>510 4_ Drake, M. Almanacs, <span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"'>‡</span>c 143<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And, in MARC Bibliographic (on LC’s website), there’s this:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:black'>‡</span></strong><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>a</span></strong><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Goff,</span></span><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:black'>‡</span></strong><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>c</span></strong><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>A-970</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Anyone?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nina<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>+----------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nina Schneider<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Head Cataloger<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>University of California, Los Angeles<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2520 Cimarron Street<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Los Angeles, CA 90018<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>(323) 731-8529<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/">http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>