<font size="2"><font face="georgia,serif">Perhaps it would be possible to disambiguate terms if we had a printing term (rbpri) "Plate damage (Printing)", scoped to refer specifically to stereo- and electrotype plates, and the same or similar term in a graphics thesaurus for damage to engraved plates, and perhaps also for block damage, in the case of woodcuts and wood engravings, since cracks in such things as headpieces also have some potential as evidence.</font></font><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Cawelti, Andrea <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cawelti@fas.harvard.edu">cawelti@fas.harvard.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Grateful thanks to all the respondents to my query about cracks in engraved plates. Our Rare Book Team will discuss, and ponder the best formulation for the printing and publishing thesaurus. "Damaged plates" seems somewhat ambiguous to me but no doubt saner heads will prevail.<br>
Thanks again,<br>
Andrea<br>
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Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.<br>
Thoughts? Suggestions?<br>
Grateful thanks, Andrea<br>
--<br>
Andrea Cawelti<br>
Ward Cataloger<br>
Houghton Library<br>
Harvard University<br>
Cambridge, MA 02138<br>
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There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that?s another particular desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to provide at least relative dating of early books.<br>
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:<br>
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> Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I?d never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.<br>
> Thoughts? Suggestions?<br>
> Grateful thanks, Andrea<br>
> --<br>
> Andrea Cawelti<br>
> Ward Cataloger<br>
> Houghton Library<br>
> Harvard University<br>
> Cambridge, MA 02138<br>
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> Phone: <a href="tel:%28617%29%20495-8060" value="+16174958060">(617) 495-8060</a><br>
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I'm not sure where I stand on the creation of a specific genre term for cracks or imperfections as mentioned below, but I do think it is important such cracks/imperfections be mentioned in notes. As John and Andrea have pointed out in their emails, these cracks/imperfections can aid in the identification of particular printings. This is especially true in map production, where copper plates in particular were reused over and over again, quite often by multiple publishers/printers.<br>
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There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that's another particular desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to provide at least relative dating of early books.<br>
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John Lancaster<br>
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:<br>
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Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.<br>
Thoughts? Suggestions?<br>
Grateful thanks, Andrea<br>
--<br>
Andrea Cawelti<br>
Ward Cataloger<br>
Houghton Library<br>
Harvard University<br>
Cambridge, MA 02138<br>
<br>
Phone: <a href="tel:%28617%29%20495-8060" value="+16174958060">(617) 495-8060</a><br>
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The printing and publishing thesaurus has terms for imperfections of various sorts, so it would be appropriate to propose a new term. You'd have to do some research to find predominant usage.<br>
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I'm not sure where I stand on the creation of a specific genre term for cracks or imperfections as mentioned below, but I do think it is important such cracks/imperfections be mentioned in notes. As John and Andrea have pointed out in their emails, these cracks/imperfections can aid in the identification of particular printings. This is especially true in map production, where copper plates in particular were reused over and over again, quite often by multiple publishers/printers.<br>
<br>
Todd Fell<br>
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There are terms for damaged types and type ornaments; there should be a similar term for stereotype plates as well as intaglio plates (and perhaps lithographic plates as well). Perhaps there is already such a term for damaged woodcuts/wood-engravings; if not, that's another particular desideratum, as progressive damage has not infrequently been used to provide at least relative dating of early books.<br>
<br>
John Lancaster<br>
<br>
<br>
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Cawelti, Andrea wrote:<br>
<br>
Greetings, I wonder if any of you use any kind of genre terms (or other terms) for obvious cracks in the printing of engraved plates? I'd never made note of cracks before, but a recent project has made me aware of the usefulness in following the progress of these cracks through an edition, particularly in music.<br>
Thoughts? Suggestions?<br>
Grateful thanks, Andrea<br>
--<br>
Andrea Cawelti<br>
Ward Cataloger<br>
Houghton Library<br>
Harvard University<br>
Cambridge, MA 02138<br>
<br>
Phone: <a href="tel:%28617%29%20495-8060" value="+16174958060">(617) 495-8060</a><br>
FAX: <a href="tel:%28617%29%20495-1376" value="+16174951376">(617) 495-1376</a><br>
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