<html><head><base href="x-msg://2037/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I agree with Deborah, and have gone through much the same metamorphosis - originally trained to ignore such statements, then gradually realizing their importance and noting them, now transcribing them. And to answer the second part of her question, I think they ought to be transcribed (and if similar statements are found elsewhere than on the title page, they should be given in a note).<div><br></div><div>1.A2.2 reads (in relevant part): "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16px; ">Such information may include pious invocations, quotations, devices, announcements, epigrams, mottoes, prices, etc.</span>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16px; "> </span>But license, privilege, and imprimatur statements don’t seem similar to any of these.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, though invocations, quotations, epigrams, and mottoes seem related (and generally peripheral to title/publication information), prices are certainly relevant to publishing; announcements may or may not be, depending on what they announce; and devices seem a strange addition to this group, since they are by definition (at least DCRM(B) definition) "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 16px; ">generally symbolic, emblematic, or pictorial rather than textual</span>” though they will often contain text (commonly a motto).</div><div><br></div><div>John Lancaster</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Deborah J. Leslie wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Bell MT'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; ">I regret that we didn't directly address the status of license, privilege, and imprimatur statements that appear on the t.p. in DCRM(B). I was trained to silently omit them as falling under 1A2.2, but have for some years advocated making them a quoted note. I'm increasingly uncomfortable with that stance, since statements that either allow the printing or approve the content seem to me to be as much title (or publication) information as other things we regard as other title information.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; ">I'm cataloging something now that has a ruled license statement between the statement of responsibility and the imprint, making it more prominent than the usual "auec priuilege du roy" that appears at the foot of many title pages.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; ">I'm interested in two things from this community: what do you do with these statements, and what do you think ought to be done with such statements?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; ">Thanks for your thoughts,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; ">Deborah<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 112, 192); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(0, 112, 192); ">Deborah J. 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