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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It seems this whole argument misses an obvious fact. One side of the argument wants the decisive issue to be whether pages are printed on just one side; the other, whether there are numbers on both sides. But
obviously, given that a leaf is two pages, it’s possible for a book with leaves printed on both sides to have numbers on one side only. In that case, a book of 48 leaf numbers is also a book of 96 pages. So the sensible thing to do is this:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">48 leaves [i.e., 96 p.]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It might also be possible for a book with leaves printed on both sides to have numbers on just one side that represent the pages. In other words, after the leaf numbered on the recto “42,” the next leaf is numbered
on the recto “44.” In that case, you would say “96 p.” even though there are numbers on just one side. I can’t say I’ve ever seen that, but I think it’s possible. I suppose if it was printed on just one side, you would want a clarifying note: “Leaves are printed
on one side only.” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Neither criterion makes good sense. If we can put bracketed clarifications after the number of leaves, there is no good reason to adopt either.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Ted Gemberling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Maxwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 17, 2012 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Clarification of leaves and pages (6JSC/LC/21 Clarification of leaves and pages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In this regard, I point out to DCRM-Lers that RDA (which defines pages in leaves in terms of numbering) changed this from AACR2 (which defines pages and leaves in terms of how the sheet is printed) to be in line
with the DCRM(B) treatment of pages and leaves; this revision proposal, unfortunately, changes it back to the AACR2 treatment. I think it’s a step backwards, naturally, since I’m sympathetic with the DCRMB treatment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Robert L. Maxwell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 17, 2012 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Clarification of leaves and pages (6JSC/LC/21 Clarification of leaves and pages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subscribers to this list may be interested in a proposal from the Library of Congress to “clarify” the definitions of the terms “leaves” and “pages” in RDA. The proposed revisions are as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">3.4.5.2 Single Volume With Numbered Pages, Leaves, or Columns
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">For a resource consisting of a single volume, record the extent in terms of pages, leaves, or columns as appropriate to the presentation used in the resource,
applying the following general guidelines: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">If the volume is paginated (<s>i.e., if there are page numbers on both sides of the leaves</s>
<u>e.g., if leaves are printed on both sides</u>), record the number of pages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">If the volume is foliated (<s>i.e., if there are leaf numbers on only one side of the leaves</s>
<u>e.g., if leaves are printed on one side</u>), record the number of leaves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">[Rest of instruction unchanged]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Glossary
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Leaf: A subunit of a volume; a single bound or fastened sheet of paper forms a leaf; each leaf consists of two pages, one on each side, either or both of which
may be blank.<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The full text of the LC proposal is available here:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a href="http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-21.pdf">http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-21.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subscribers to the PCC-list may have already read a healthy discussion on this issue at the beginning of the month. Bob Maxwell offered good arguments for why the proposed modification may be detrimental. Liz O’Keefe
noted that the proposed definition for leaf would exclude manuscripts that are neither bound nor fastened together. For those not subscribed to the PCC list, a summary of comments is available on the CC:DA wiki:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a href="http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21">http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">CC:DA will soon discuss this proposal in order to formulate an official ALA/CC:DA position ahead of the upcoming meeting of JSC. I will of course be happy to convey the thoughts of the DCRM community to CC:DA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Francis<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">(RBMS Liaison to CC:DA)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">_________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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