<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://481/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The revision seems to say that if leaves are printed on both sides, the extent should be given in pages, regardless of how they are numbered. Which makes no sense. And why, if we need to be told what pagination and foliation consist of, aren’t we also told how to record column numbers?<div><br></div><div>Also, do they really mean “e.g.” (= for example) rather than “i.e.” (= that is)? What other choices are there besides being printed on both sides or on one side?</div><div><br></div><div>This revision seems less a clarification than obfuscation.</div><div><br></div><div>John Lancaster</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:04 AM, "Lapka, Francis" <<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: 'Bell MT'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Subscribers to this list may be interested in a proposal from the Library of Congress to “clarify” the definitions of the terms “leaves” and “pages” in RDA. The proposed revisions are as follows:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="border-style: none none solid; border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: windowtext; padding: 0in 0in 1pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: none; padding: 0in; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: none; padding: 0in; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">3.4.5.2 Single Volume With Numbered Pages, Leaves, or Columns<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">For a resource consisting of a single volume, record the extent in terms of pages, leaves, or columns as appropriate to the presentation used in the resource, applying the following general guidelines:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span>a)<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If the volume is paginated (<s>i.e., if there are page numbers on both sides of the leaves</s><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>e.g., if leaves are printed on both sides</u>), record the number of pages.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span>b)<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If the volume is foliated (<s>i.e., if there are leaf numbers on only one side of the leaves</s><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>e.g., if leaves are printed on one side</u>), record the number of leaves.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">[Rest of instruction unchanged]<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Glossary<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Leaf: A subunit of a volume; a single bound or fastened sheet of paper forms a leaf; each leaf consists of two pages, one on each side, either or both of which may be blank.<o:p></o:p></span></u></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><u><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Page: A single side of a leaf<o:p></o:p></span></u></div><div style="border-style: none none solid; border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: windowtext; padding: 0in 0in 1pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: none; padding: 0in; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The full text of the LC proposal is available here:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-21.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/6JSC-LC-21.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Subscribers to the PCC-list may have already read a healthy discussion on this issue at the beginning of the month. Bob Maxwell offered good arguments for why the proposed modification may be detrimental. Liz O’Keefe noted that the proposed definition for leaf would exclude manuscripts that are neither bound nor fastened together. For those not subscribed to the PCC list, a summary of comments is available on the CC:DA wiki:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://wikis.ala.org/ccda/index.php/6JSC/LC/21</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">CC:DA will soon discuss this proposal in order to formulate an official ALA/CC:DA position ahead of the upcoming meeting of JSC. I will of course be happy to convey the thoughts of the DCRM community to CC:DA.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Francis<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(RBMS Liaison to CC:DA)<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">_________________________________<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b>Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">203.432.9672 <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>