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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John Attig sends an update from the current JSC meeting regarding LC proposal 21 (“Clarification of leaves and pages”). As John notes, LC has substantially
revised the proposal. I attach the initial and new versions herewith.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I also attach a second version of the new proposal, into which I insert some quick initial thoughts (in tracked comments).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also note the three examples John names in his message below. Applying RDA rules alone (without DCRMB), I believe the revised proposal would allow us to record
extent as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Case 1: “8 pages”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Case 2: “7 pages, 1 unnumbered page” [applying the exception for early printed resources at RDA 3.4.5.3.1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Case 3: “4 leaves” [applying 3.22.2.11 instead of 3.4.5.5]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As John suggests, I’m more inclined to support this revision. I’d like to hear the thoughts of others on this list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">_________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> JOHN C ATTIG [mailto:jxa16@psu.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 05, 2012 11:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Glennan (kglennan@umd.edu); Robert Maxwell; Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Rolla<br>
<b>Subject:</b> 6JSC/LC/21<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">LC presented a new proposal dealing with "leaves" and "pages". Everyone except ALA agreed to it; I said I needed time to consult. You three seem
to have been the main contributors to ALA's discussion (although Kathy mostly contributed by posting comments from other people).<br>
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I'd like your reactions to this before the end of the week, if at all possible. My sense is that ALA should agree unless there are really serious problems here.<br>
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Kate James presented the new proposal; it was accompanied by three visual aids, each representing one of the case they felt were at issue. All three were 8-page "volumes"; in each case, the leaves were printed on both sides (i.e., each page contained text).<br>
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In the first case, each page was contained a number: 1-8.<br>
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In the second case, each page was counted in the numbering but only the odd-numbers were printed on the rectos: 1, 3, 5, 7.<br>
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In the third case, only the leaves were numbered: 1-4.<br>
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I think that the LC revision (attached) was designed to deal with these three cases. In the third case, this was considered to be an example of misleading numbering and they propose a reference to 3.4.5.5 for this. I think that the first two cases are all
covered by their proposed instruction a) -- in other words, both would be considered examples of a volume numbered in terms of pages and the extent would be recorded as n pages -- although in the second case, I think you would end up with "7 pages" and in
the first case with "8 pages" -- which seems a bit strange.<br>
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It was noted that the Exception for early printed books is not affected in any way by this revision.<br>
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The proposal also contains additional instructions in 3.4.5.3 that say when to use "pages" and when to use "leaves" when recording unnumbered volumes or sequences.<br>
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Comments? Is this something we can live with? As I said, I think we ought to support this revision unless we see some really serious problems with it.<br>
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John<br>
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