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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Included in the recent LC proposal for the revision of RDA instructions on extent (“clarification of leaves and pages”) was a new set of guidelines on how to
describe volumes consisting entirely of unnumbered pages. Here is the pertinent section, as accepted by JSC at its November meeting:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">3.4.5.3 Single Volume With Unnumbered Pages, Leaves, or Columns<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> […]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> c) Record 1 volume (unpaged).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> EXAMPLE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> 1 volume (unpaged)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> When recording the number or estimated number of unnumbered pages or leaves, apply these guidelines:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> a) If the leaves are printed or written on both sides, record the numbering in terms of pages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"> b) If the leaves are printed or written on one side, record the numbering in terms of leaves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Several people have since suggested that it would be useful to add further guidelines on *<b>how</b>* to record the number of unnumbered pages or leaves. In
DCRM(B), this is addressed in rule 5B8.1 (“Begin the count … ”:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">5B8.1.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="dcrmbUNDERSCORE0968"></a><span style="color:black">If the whole volume is unpaginated or unfoliated, count the pages or leaves and record the total in arabic numerals within square brackets. State the total in terms of pages or
leaves, but not of both. Begin the count with the first page or leaf of the first <a href="http://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmbGatheringSLASHglossary&hash=GatheringSLASHglossary" target="rightFrame">gathering</a>
and end the count with the last page or leaf of the last <a href="http://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmbGatheringSLASHglossary&hash=GatheringSLASHglossary" target="rightFrame">gathering</a>,
as instructed in <a href="http://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmb5B3&hash=5B3" target="rightFrame">5B3</a>. Count all blank pages or leaves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For non-rare materials, one might (traditionally) instruct the cataloger
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">to begin with the first page that has printing on it and count until the last page that has printing on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Would our community be interested in submitting a revision proposal for this element? If so, would it make sense to offer a general instruction for non-rare
materials and an exception for early printed resources?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">_________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">203.432.9672
<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu"><span style="color:blue">francis.lapka@yale.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rolla, Peter (Peter_Rolla@hms.harvard.edu); robert_maxwell@byu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] FW: 6JSC/LC/21<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John Attig sends an update from the current JSC meeting regarding LC proposal 21 (“Clarification of leaves and pages”). As John notes, LC has substantially
revised the proposal. I attach the initial and new versions herewith.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I also attach a second version of the new proposal, into which I insert some quick initial thoughts (in tracked comments).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also note the three examples John names in his message below. Applying RDA rules alone (without DCRMB), I believe the revised proposal would allow us to record
extent as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Case 1: “8 pages”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Case 2: “7 pages, 1 unnumbered page” [applying the exception for early printed resources at RDA 3.4.5.3.1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Case 3: “4 leaves” [applying 3.22.2.11 instead of 3.4.5.5]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As John suggests, I’m more inclined to support this revision. I’d like to hear the thoughts of others on this list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">_________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT 06520<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">203.432.9672
<a href="mailto:francis.lapka@yale.edu">francis.lapka@yale.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> JOHN C ATTIG [<a href="mailto:jxa16@psu.edu">mailto:jxa16@psu.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 05, 2012 11:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Glennan (<a href="mailto:kglennan@umd.edu">kglennan@umd.edu</a>); Robert Maxwell; Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Rolla<br>
<b>Subject:</b> 6JSC/LC/21<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">LC presented a new proposal dealing with "leaves" and "pages". Everyone except ALA agreed to it; I said I needed time to consult. You three seem
to have been the main contributors to ALA's discussion (although Kathy mostly contributed by posting comments from other people).<br>
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I'd like your reactions to this before the end of the week, if at all possible. My sense is that ALA should agree unless there are really serious problems here.<br>
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Kate James presented the new proposal; it was accompanied by three visual aids, each representing one of the case they felt were at issue. All three were 8-page "volumes"; in each case, the leaves were printed on both sides (i.e., each page contained text).<br>
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In the first case, each page was contained a number: 1-8.<br>
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In the second case, each page was counted in the numbering but only the odd-numbers were printed on the rectos: 1, 3, 5, 7.<br>
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In the third case, only the leaves were numbered: 1-4.<br>
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I think that the LC revision (attached) was designed to deal with these three cases. In the third case, this was considered to be an example of misleading numbering and they propose a reference to 3.4.5.5 for this. I think that the first two cases are all
covered by their proposed instruction a) -- in other words, both would be considered examples of a volume numbered in terms of pages and the extent would be recorded as n pages -- although in the second case, I think you would end up with "7 pages" and in
the first case with "8 pages" -- which seems a bit strange.<br>
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It was noted that the Exception for early printed books is not affected in any way by this revision.<br>
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The proposal also contains additional instructions in 3.4.5.3 that say when to use "pages" and when to use "leaves" when recording unnumbered volumes or sequences.<br>
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Comments? Is this something we can live with? As I said, I think we ought to support this revision unless we see some really serious problems with it.<br>
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John<br>
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