<font><font face="georgia,serif">One thing that a newly RDA-based DCRM might explore is bifurcation of transcription and data packaging.</font></font><div><font><font face="georgia,serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font><font face="georgia,serif">How this would work with MARC I'm not sure, but at the rate we're going, data normalization and descriptive transcription are increasingly working at cross purposes. In some cases, rather than try to write a note on transpositions in which complexity will overwhelm sense, I provide a direct transcription, <i>sans</i> ISBD punctuation, headed "Imprint reads:" This is the tactic adopted by catalogers of the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, with note heading "Vorlageform des Erscheinungsvermerks", e.g.</font></font></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">How far this could be extended to other areas of the title page I'm not sure. Presumably we still want to enable data matching of at least key portions of exact transcription (<i>à la</i> alternate transcriptions in 246), though linked digital images would be the best approach for human-eye comparison, as in e.g. VD17, with its very embraceable "Schlüsselseiten".</font></div>
<div><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif">As it is, we're trying to reconstruct cows from the </font><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">irreversible deconstruction that is </span><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">beef stew (or vegetables from vegetarian chili--whatever).</span></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Auyong, Dorothy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 14 February 2013 15:11</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And now, the elephant in the room. How would we encode that nicely elegant transcription into the new RDA 264 MARC format?
<a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM(B) 4D1.3-4D1.4<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Another second--and I've added this as an example in my copy of DCRM(B). ESTC's transcription exemplifies the potential awkwardess that 4C3 addresses.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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I am cataloging a pamphlet that has a confusingly constructed imprint. DCRM(B) 4D1.3 and 4D1.4 do not quite address this situation. The title in question is "An Heroic Epistle to an Unfortunate Monarch by Peregrine the Elder [i.e. William Combe]," 1778; ESTC
T36159: <a href="http://estc.bl.uk/T36159" target="_blank">http://estc.bl.uk/T36159</a><br>
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The imprint reads (with line breaks and original punctuation and capitalization):<br>
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LONDON:<br>
Printed in the YEAR M DCC LXXVIII.<br>
And may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, PATER-NOSTER-ROW.<br>
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Reading DCRM(B), I see three possible transcriptions:<br>
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1) London : $b And may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row, $c printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII [1778]<br>
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2) London : $b [s.n.], $c printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII [1778], and may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row.<br>
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3) London : $b Printed in the year MDCCLXXVIII, and may be had of E. Benson, No. 13, Pater-Noster-Row, $c [1778]<br>
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ESTC went with option 1 above (without the transposition note), but I'm leaning towards option 3. What sayeth the collective wisdom?<br>
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