<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m not completely certain that the “Iesus Maria” at the head of the title really
<b>is</b> a pious invocation, although I don’t know what else it would be, and can’t imagine what a pious invocation might be if not this</span></p></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif">It can't be anything else, really. It is unrelated to the title or the content of the book, except as an indication of its religious orientation. It is analogous to the use of the mottoes of religious orders (eg the Jeuits' "AMDG") in the same context for the same purpose. "Iesus Maria" is more exactly comparable to "JMJ", of which one Catholic website (<a href="http://www.fisheaters.com/letterstyle.html" target="_blank">www.fisheaters.com/letterstyle.html</a>) - says</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif">"J.M.J. 'Jesus, Mary
and Joseph.' You will find this most often written, centered, on the tops
of correspondence, articles, essays, etc., sometimes with the letters separated
by Crosses. Catholic schoolchildren write the initials of the Holy Family
across the top of their homework papers."</font></div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11pt">Why is “Pious invocations” given such prominence in the rules? In my experience, quotations are far and away the most common non-title information, followed by privilege statements and prices. Wouldn’t
the caption more logically be “Omission of quotations, etc.”?</span></p></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">This discussion itself is evidence that "you'll know it when you see it" is not an applicable principle in this case. "Quotations, etc." leaves a whole lot of "etc." to agonize about, and even in the current version the "etc." means "here be monsters".</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Are certain features of title pages <i>not</i> included in the list to be considered title information or not? I recall being told that dedications were consciously omitted from it, and therefore ought now to be considered o.t.a.--which I agree with. The reasoning behind that agreement (if I'm right) is what needs articulating, perhaps in a footnote. One governing principle might be that of specific relevance: a schoolchild's JMJ is specific only to the situation of writing, not to the written expression or manifestation itself, as are most such mottoes or invocations(exceptions always being possible); while a dedication is specific to the expression and/or manifestation with which it is found, and possibly of value to a researcher--e.g. our colleague John Buchtel, whose dissertation was titled <i>Book Dedications in Early Modern England: Francis Bacon, George Chapman, and the Literary Patronage of Henry, Prince of Wales</i>.</div>
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