<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">If one makes a new record--necessarily for the one edition that one has in hand--what, if anything, should be done with the existing ambiguous record? It still seems right to add a note, which warns the user that holdings associated with the record have yet to be disambiguated, and a pointer to the new record.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">This is a case where environments matter: master records live in a different world from records in individual catalogs. Really one ought to create two new master records, one of which might have no holdings, looking to that day in the future when all of the holdings from the old record will at last be correctly parcelled out.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu" target="_blank">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1f497d">This topic was broached at a TSDG a year or two ago, in which those present agreed that a new record
<b><i>should</i></b> be made when an existing OCLC master record does not distinguish between two or more known different editions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie@ <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">folger.edu</a> | <a href="tel:202.675-0369" value="+12026750369" target="_blank">202.675-0369</a> | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20001 | www. <a href="http://folger.edu" target="_blank">folger.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 January 2014 11:54</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Shares citation but varies from PDF<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Yes, I agree with Elaine, who has generously described the best procedure, including accommodation to the vagaries of the WorldCat (which is not to be easily herded). In a few cases I've done
this, with a note that explicitly states "This record represents two editions, printed from different settings of type. ... [details]".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: <a href="tel:401-863-1187" value="+14018631187" target="_blank">401-863-1187</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Shiner, Elaine <<a href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu" target="_blank">eshiner@fas.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yes, I agree with Richard. At the very least, describe both variants [and then identify which variant
this record represents]. I actually <u>wouldn’t</u> make a duplicate OCLC record in this case, for several reasons, but mainly because I can’t believe that all or even most OCLC users will have the knowledge or take the time to notice and match to the right
record. In this case, since neither record is coded dcrmb, I think the records will merge at some point. (True?) If you are not cataloging in dcrmb, with accurate pagination and including a signature statement, I think it creates more problems than it solves
to create a new OCLC record for a variant. Ideally, you should go back to #222640157 and add a similar note to that master record describing both variants [and then identifying which variant that record represents (i.e., the link)]. However, there is another
holding attached to that master record, and no way of knowing which variant it represents. Additionally, there is another record in OCLC (785398242) which
<u>is</u> in dcrmb, in 8vo, with pagination [4], 16 p. (rather than 16 p.) and a signature statement. So now there are 3 “duplicates”, and only 1 identifies itself as a variant. (There’s also another UK record with “[Another edition]” in the 250 field. What
to do with that?)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My solution would have been to use the dcrmb record (785398242), add a note describing all known
variants (and any other upgrades you want to make), and report OCLC 222640157 as a duplicate. My note would read something like this:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">500: Two settings of type are noted. In one setting,
</span><span style="color:#1f497d">the first line of text on p. 8 reads "Parmi les vues politiques dont vous remplirez votre."’ In the other, the first line of text on p. 8 reads [get this information from the variant found through the link]. Martin & Walter
does not distinguish between the different settings of type.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:#1f497d">This OCLC record would then represent both variants. You could then add a local 500 note (as you did with the binding note), identifying which setting your library holds, of save that information for your own OPAC .</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">This is complicated stuff, and
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">one example of why OCLC is so unsatisfactory as a national online union catalog for early books. It’s impossible at this point to get everyone to handle things same way.
My solution is not ideal, but seems to me to be the best course. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Elaine</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:43 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">As I said to Deborah in a side note, I think it helps very much to add (in this case) the reading of the first line of p. 8 in the
<i>other</i> setting--the result in two or, heaven knows, more records is a set of reciprocal notes, each of which is sufficient to obviate the need for inference on the part of the catalog user. Who knows? There might be a third setting. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Alice Hanes <<a href="mailto:ahanes@hagley.org" target="_blank">ahanes@hagley.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Elaine and Deborah—</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thank you both for your advice on including the citation and formulating a note that would serve to distinguish my book in hand from the version I saw
linked through an 856 field on OCLC. This is what I came up with:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:#1f497d">500 Two settings of type are noted. In this setting, the first line of text on p. 8 reads "Parmi les vues politiques dont vous remplirez votre." Martin & Walter does not distinguish between different settings of type.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:#1f497d">510 4_ Martin & Walter. Révolution française,[c]III, 24452</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Here’s my follow-up question: Should these notes have been added to the established record (#222640157) on OCLC, even with its link to a PDF of varying
text, or was I justified in contributing a new master record (#869008399) of my own? Can one suffer from too much information – and too little – at the same time? I’m not so sure, and I have alerted
</span><a href="mailto:bibchange@oclc.org" target="_blank">bibchange@oclc.org</a><span style="color:#1f497d"> to the situation. What I’m learning through this experience will help me through another in the future,
</span><span lang="FR" style="color:#1f497d">j'espère.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Handwriting";color:#1f497d">Alice H. Hanes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Technical Services Librarian</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Hagley Museum and Library</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">298 Buck Road East</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Wilmington, DE 19807-0630</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:%28302%29%20658-2400" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">(302) 658-2400</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d"> x234</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shiner, Elaine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:00 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Shares citation but varies from PDF<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I think Deborah is right about the reference to Martin & Walter. Leaving it out is maybe a bit lazy
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="color:#1f497d">.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Elaine</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Shares citation but varies from PDF</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Hello Alice and Elaine,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">If I understand the situation correctly, I agree with Elaine. I would cite Martin & Walter, and in the note you make that distinguishes the two editions, add something to the effect that Martin & Walter does not
distinguish between the two editions. Make no reference to the OCLC record or link. Here's an example of a record I did just last week:
</span><a href="http://shakespeare.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=264765" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">http://shakespeare.folger.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=264765</span></a><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">
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<p><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Also take close look at your text. I'd bet that "occafion" is really " occaſion."</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#31849b">Deborah J. Leslie, M.A., M.L.S. | Folger Shakespeare Library | 201 East Capitol St., S.E. | Washington, D.C. 20003 |
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Shiner, Elaine<br>
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2014 16:40<br>
To: DCRM Users' Group<br>
Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] Shares citation but varies from PDF<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Dear Alice:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I don't think that's a good idea, since you have no control over the links. If I couldn't find any difference that could justify a new OCLC record, I would insert a 500 note into the master record, but without referring to the link. For instance, "Two
editions are noted." or "Two setting of type are noted", and then: In one, the last line of text on p. [5] reads: ". occafion plus favorable pour confondre vos en- .."; in the other, the last line of text on p. [5] reads "[whatever it reads in the electronic
resource]" I don't think it's necessary to mention Martin & Walter, as long as the description in Martin & Walter could refer to either.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Elaine Shiner,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Rare Book Cataloger<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Houghton Library<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</span></a>]
On Behalf Of Alice Hanes<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:26 PM<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>To: DCRM Users' Group<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Subject: [DCRM-L] Shares citation but varies from PDF<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Dear colleagues-- We are converting some French Revolution pamphlets to MARC records from catalog cards, many of which include citations. The one in hand cites Martin & Walter, III, 24452, which is further linked through (OCoLC) 12938925 to an electronic
resource that has the same page count but different type-set. I'm wondering whether I should note mine as a variant through a note such as the one below and would appreciate hearing how any of you might handle this situation. Thank you.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>500 This ed. varies from electronic resource linked to (OCoLC) 12938925 which also cites Martin & Walter. Révolution française. III, 24452. Last line of text on p. [5] reads: ". occafion plus favorable pour confondre vos en- .."<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>510 4 Martin & Walter. Révolution française, [c]III, 24452<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Alice H. Hanes<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Technical Services Librarian<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Hagley Museum and Library<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>298 Buck Road East<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Wilmington, DE 19807-0630<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><a href="tel:%28302%29%20658-2400%20x234" target="_blank">(302) 658-2400 x234</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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