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Unfortunately, no. The portrait is printed on heavier paper than the
rest of the text, and the chain lines are horizontal, not vertical.<br>
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The catalog record for the copy at the Biblioteca Nacional de España
also shows a missing leaf in the P signature. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://catalogo.bne.es/uhtbin/cgisirsi/JeBAryrR57/BNMADRID/39930044/9">http://catalogo.bne.es/uhtbin/cgisirsi/JeBAryrR57/BNMADRID/39930044/9</a><br>
Their notation: " Sign.: [ ]⁸, A-O⁸, P⁸⁻¹ " <br>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">If P8 can't
be identified with a blank leaf (there seem to have been
blanks at the end of the copy reproduced in the online pdf),
the better notation when dealing with a single copy is "P^8(P8
missing, blank?)"--a little tactic that Bowers suggests, out
of the proper place for such a suggestion, on p. 118 of <i>Principles</i>.
Is there any chance that it's the leaf on which the portrait
was printed?</div>
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Barbara Tysinger <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Thanks, Richard! (and
others!)<br>
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I have the final signature (without the frontispiece or
other plates) as: pi⁸ A-O⁸ P⁸ (-P8)<br>
I hadn't included the " P⁸ (-P8) " in my earlier message
because I didn't want to cloud the issue unnecessarily. <br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
Barbara<br>
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PS. I wish I could go back to Rare Book School (I was
there in 2011 for the Rare Books Cataloging course and
loved every minute!), but after I finish cataloging this
group of books, I'm less likely to encounter many
non-standard collations.
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a general rule, the collational formula concerns
only those portions of the text that passed
through the printing press. In particular,
engravings on separate leaves--not printed on an
"integral" leaf, that is, a leaf that forms part
of the printed sheets--are to be separately
accounted for. In a case like yours, I'd note</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">8vo:
[pi]^8 A-P^8 [$2 signed]; 128 leaves, pages
[I-II] III-XVI, 1-237 [238-240] + frontispiece
portrait and 4 plates ('Lam. 1a'-'Lam. 4a')</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">This
may be wrong in detail--the online pdf loads too
slowly to be repeatedly scanned for details--but
the final gathering <i>is</i> P, not O. The
portrait could just as well face the title page
as the first page of text--that's probably a
copy-specific matter (to oversimplify a little
too radically, printed sheets are the fixed
stars, plates are planets--wandering stars).</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Time
to review chapter five of Bowers' <i>Principles</i>,
and see whether you can get some funding (or a
scholarship) for Rare Book School course G-10,
aka Bibliography Boot Camp.</div>
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1:56 PM, Barbara Tysinger <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Good
afternoon!<br>
<br>
The latest in my series of signature
queries...<br>
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I have a book in octavo, the preliminaries
are in a single gathering, completely
unsigned, followed by an engraved
frontispiece singleton (also unsigned), and
then the main text block, with the title
page being A1.<br>
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My question, should the frontispiece
singleton be recorded in the signature
statement as: " pi⁸ chi1 A-O⁸ " or as " pi⁸
2pi1 A-O⁸ "? Or as something else?<br>
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The book in question is:<br>
<blockquote><i>Tratado de las operaciones
que deben practicarse en la dentadura, y
método para conservaria en buen estado</i>
... by Félix Pérez Arroyo. Madrid:
Franganillo, 1799.<br>
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Thanks!
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Barbara<br>
...................All opinions are
entirely my own....................<br>
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Barbara R.
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possit."-- St. Minutia......<br>
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