<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:georgia,serif">I certainly agree with John Lancaster that there doesn't seem to be a real difference of issue here--unless the title leaf is a cancel. Are you able to determine whether the title leaf (and last leaf) are integral in both of your copies? </span><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">The signatures note in OCLC 5165516 is a simple A-Y^8.</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">Have you compared signature positions vis-a-vis last line of type as a test of setting? If it consistently passes that test then you are dealing copies of the same edition. If the title leaf is integral in both variants, then you're simply dealing with press variants within the formes that contain those pages.</span></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Shiner, Elaine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu" target="_blank">eshiner@fas.harvard.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The title-page has been re-set (with a different woodcut device), and a dedication (and “argumentum” for the first title) have been added to (or subtracted
from) the t.p. verso. The device on the verso of the final leaf is different. Those are the only differences I’ve noted. The signatures are the same, and the final numbered leaf has been misnumbered in both variants. As far as I can tell, it’s the same setting
of type except for the title-leaf and the final leaf, although I haven’t compared every page.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">See OCLC 5165516.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Elaine Shiner<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOHN LANCASTER<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 05, 2014 3:29 PM</span></p><div class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] OCLC cataloging question<u></u><u></u></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A couple of questions:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it really accurate to speak of "issues", when there is no variation that would suggest different conditions of distribution, publication, ete.?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are the details of the collation? Is it possible that the variants at the end and beginning were printed as part of the same sheet or forme?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect I'm not the only one who would like to know what the work/edition is, and what the distinctions are - in case there might be a copy in one of our collections.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Lancaster<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:50 PM, "Shiner, Elaine" <<a href="mailto:eshiner@fas.harvard.edu" target="_blank">eshiner@fas.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This is a variation of an theme that has come up before.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In the process of adding a copy to an Aldine record, I discovered that I actually had a different issue. In my issue, the title-page was a different setting
of type, but with exactly the same text. Also, the printer’s devices on the t.p. and final leaves were very similar in the 2 issues, but not identical. The issues are easy to identify because 1 has a dedication and summary (Argumentum) on the t.p. verso,
while the t.p. verso of the other is blank.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">OCLC has more than 10 records for this edition, with various numbers of holdings attached. Only one of these records the dedication as a contents item, but
it doesn’t make any mention of another issue.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If I changed 1 record to say “Two issues are noted …,” describing the two issues, I could then report all other qualifying OCLC records for that edition as
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What is the best thing to do, in this case?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Elaine Shiner,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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