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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Nina and Bob.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As Bob says, I believe that the RDA approach (as found in 2.3.1.4, if applied to multipart monographs, and as proposed for 6.2) would have us render our DCRM(B) example as:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Thomas Masterson his ... booke of arithmeticke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">(instead of)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Thomas Masterson his first[-second] booke of arithmeticke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Is the same approach applied to our other two examples from DCRM(B) as satisfactory?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">[DCRM(B) Ex. 1]:
</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Quinti Horatii Flacci epistolarum liber primus[-secundus]</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">[RDA approach, Ex. 1]:
</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Quinti Horatii Flacci epistolarum liber ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">[or?]</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Quinti Horatii Flacci epistolarum ...</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">[DCRM(B) Ex. 3]:
</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Le premier[-quart] volume de messire Jehan Froissart lequel traicte des choses dignes de memoire aduenues tant es pays de France, Angleterre, Flanders, Espaigne que Escoce, et autres lieux circonuoisins</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">[RDA approach, Ex. 3]:
</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Le ... volume de messire Jehan Froissart lequel traicte des choses dignes de memoire aduenues tant es pays de France, Angleterre, Flanders, Espaigne que Escoce, et autres lieux circonuoisins</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Maxwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 16, 2014 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Title -- Date, name, number, etc., that varies from issue to issue (RDA 2.3.1.4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">I believe the transcription following the basic RDA rule would be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Thomas Masterson his ... booke of arithmeticke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Thomas Masterson his first ... booke of arithmeticke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">vs. current DCRM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Thomas Masterson his first[-second] booke of arithmeticke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Since the transcription is supposed to represent the resource as a whole, I could live with that as long as we included a note about what was left out. The DCRM transcription isn’t any more or less “faithful”
than the RDA one since the DCRM transcripton interposes something that is <i>not</i> there on the first volume
<i>or</i> the second volume. Actually one might argue tha the RDA transcription is
<i>more</i> faithful than the DCRM because it omits something (and not silently) but doesn’t add anything that isn’t actually on the title page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Robert L. Maxwell<br>
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger<br>
6728 Harold B. Lee Library<br>
Brigham Young University<br>
Provo, UT 84602<br>
(801)422-5568 <br>
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"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schneider, Nina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 16, 2014 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Title -- Date, name, number, etc., that varies from issue to issue (RDA 2.3.1.4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">HI Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Personally, I’d say yes for Q1, no for Q2, and Q3 undecided. I think the difference with multipart monographs is that the user would have more difficulty understanding the relationship of subsequent titles if
there was a mark of omission because the first instantiation is grammatically linked. In other words, how would I know that “Thomas Masterson his first... booke of arithmeticke” is omitting the word “[-second]”? The missing information could also be a long
string of adjectives. I suppose the information could be supplied in a note.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nina<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">+---------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nina M. Schneider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chair, RBMS Bibliographic Standards Committee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Head Cataloger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">William Andrews Clark Memorial Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">2520 Cimarron Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Los Angeles, CA 90018<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">(323) 731-8529<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/">http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/clarklib/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 16, 2014 5:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Title -- Date, name, number, etc., that varies from issue to issue (RDA 2.3.1.4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I’d like your thoughts (see
<span style="color:red">Questions </span>at end) on the following item on the CC:DA agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a href="http://alcts.ala.org/ccdablog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/KPG201404.pdf"><span style="color:#136FA5;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:white">Proposal: Using
the mark of omission in preferred titles (RDA 6.2)</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">It proposes new guidelines for the title of a
<i>Work</i> that would parallel the guidelines in the <a href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/rdachp2_rda2-3233.html">
Exception under RDA 2.3.1.4</a>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span class="bolditalic"><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">Date, name, number, etc., that varies from issue to issue.</span></i></b></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">If
a title of a serial includes a date, name, number, etc., that varies from issue to issue, omit this date, name, number, etc. Use a mark of omission (…) to indicate such an omission.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;background:#FFFBCE"><b><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:#5A595A">EXAMPLE<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;background:#FFFBCE"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">Report on the … Conference on Development Objectives and Strategy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;background:#FFFBCE"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:gray">Source of information reads: </span></b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:gray">Report
on the 4th Conference on Development Objectives and Strategy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;background:#FFFBCE"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:gray">…<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">RDA 2.3.1.4 concerns
<i>serials</i> only, and use of the mark of omission in this scenario replicates a practice established in AACR2 (<a href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/aacr2chp12_aacr2chp12-605.html">12.1B7</a>) and DCRMS (<a href="https://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=tocid&doc_key=Infobasedcrms0Dash0Dash0Dash249&hash=PPTOC1B6.4.%20Omission%20of%20dates,%20names,%20numbers,%20etc.">1B6.4</a>).
The proposed addition to guidelines for the title of a Work (RDA 6.2), however, would be applicable to “a multipart monograph or a serial.” A preliminary comment from a CC:DA constituent suggests that it would be logically consistent to apply the 2.3.1.4
Exception to multipart monographs as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Such a change to 2.3.1.4 would treat the scenario differently than it is treated in DCRM(B) 1B4:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>1B4. <a href="https://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary&hash=TitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary" target="rightFrame">Title
proper</a> with grammatically inseparable designation </b><img border="0" width="51" height="24" id="Rectangle_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.png@01CF8973.2D7AF170" alt="https://desktop.loc.gov/DocView/ESPDCRMB/img/AACR2%20button"><b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><a name="dcrmbUNDERSCORE0322"></a>If a publication is in more than one volume and the <a href="https://desktop.loc.gov/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setdoc&doc_keytype=foliodestination&doc_key=dcrmbTitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary&hash=TitleSPACEproperSLASHglossary" target="rightFrame">title
proper</a> of each volume includes a grammatically inseparable designation such as numbering that is specific to that volume, supply in square brackets after the first designation a hyphen and the final designation, omitting intermediate designations. Do the
same for single-volume publications that contain multiple parts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.5in"><a name="dcrmbUNDERSCORE0324"></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Thomas Masterson his first[-second] booke of arithmeticke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:red">QUESTIONS<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Do we support the proposal as written (the addition to RDA 6.2)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Should the Exception in RDA 2.3.1.4 be amended to apply to multipart monographs as well?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Alternatively, should a
<i>different</i> Exception be added to 2.3.1.4 to treat multipart monographs. Is there a logical justification for treating monographs differently (employing the 1B4 approach instead of using the mark of omission)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">CC:DA Liaison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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