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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">A good many years ago, Henry Raine brought this topic up in what was then called MASC. At the time my library, as well as most others that I knew of, used the shorter
formulation, dropping the "Great Britain." After that discussion, in which a consensus was more-or-less reached that putting the country name in the
<b>‡a</b> was best practice. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">I blame an example in MARC21 for it. Even though the subfields are clearly defined as:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">‡a Country or larger entity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">‡b First-order political jurisdiction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">it includes this example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><s>##$a</s></strong><s>England<strong>$c</strong>Greater Manchester<strong>$d</strong>Manchester.
</s><s><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></s></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">(The strikethrough is added by me and is deliberate)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd752.html">http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd752.html</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#1F497D">Are the truncated 752's you're seeing from older records? The ESTC now uses the full correct formulation I believe, but didn't always. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie@folger.edu | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 04 August 2014 14:15<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] England, Scotland and Wales in 752<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Is there any near consensus, especially among British cataloguers, as to the proper formulation of 752s for locations in Great Britain? I have seen e.g. "Great Britain $b England $d London" in
ESTC records, and, in other records of British origin, "England $d London". I realize that deep sensitivities may be involved in such formulations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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