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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">Thanks, Manon; I agree with John that having a placeholder like "symbol" that has to be defined would be very helpful, and hugely preferable to </span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">):(<sup>4</sup>
(-):(4)</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">(however much the added spaces help. (-;)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | djleslie@folger.edu | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOHN LANCASTER<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 09 August 2014 18:01<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Signature marks that include parentheses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I like the idea of having a generic placeholder, whether “[symbol]” or something else, that always has to be defined in a note. It would be useful whenever any odd symbol turns up in a collation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In many cases, the placeholder+definition would be used for a signature that can’t be reproduced at all; it should be allowable even if the separate pieces might be available in the character set, when it would be difficult, as in this
case, to make a clearly readable statement following the normal form of the formula.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t like using only part of the signature to stand for the whole - that seems more difficult to understand and potentially misleading.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John Lancaster<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 9, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Manon Théroux <<a href="mailto:manon.theroux@gmail.com">manon.theroux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could you take one of the following approaches?:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Signatures: [symbol]<sup><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">4</span></sup>-([symbol]4); the symbol is a colon surrounded by inverted parentheses: ):(<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Signatures: :<sup><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">4</span></sup>(-:4); colons enclosed by inverted parentheses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Signatures: [colon]<sup><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">4</span></sup>(-[colon]4); colons printed within inverted parentheses: ):(<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Aug 8, 2014, at 3:34 PM, "Young, Stephen" <<a href="mailto:stephen.young@yale.edu">stephen.young@yale.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eileen Smith, who has served as a lab assistant for Advanced Descriptive Bibliography at Rare Book School, suggested to me that inserting a space would help
to clarify things in these situations. Your example would become:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">):(<sup>4</sup> (-):(4)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is what I have been doing lately. The space helps the eyes a little bit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stephen R. Young</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rare Book Catalog Librarian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">P.O. Box 208240</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tel.: 203-432-8385</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Email:
<a href="mailto:stephen.young@yale.edu">stephen.young@yale.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">The Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library will close for a major renovation in May 2015, reopening in August 2016. We will maintain a reading room
in Sterling Memorial Library during this time, but access to various collections will be limited as early as April 2014 while we prepare for closure. For details, please visit <a href="http://beineckelibraryrenovation.yale.edu/">o</a><a href="http://beineckelibraryrenovation.yale.edu/">ur
renovation website</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 08, 2014 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Signature marks that include parentheses</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Dear colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Jason LeMay, an alumnus of this year's RBS Rare Book Cataloging course, sent me a query about recording the signature mark
<b>):( </b> With his permission, I'm reposting it and a version of my response below for discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">I am finally trying to put my Rare Book Cataloging into action. I’ve come across an odd little pamphlet I had previously dealt with, and now I’m preparing to review and enhance
my previous cataloging. The entire item is a single gathering of four leaves, and they are signed “):(“, “):(2”, and “):(3” (fourth leaf unsigned).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">For the signature, would I actually record ):(<sup>4</sup>?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">DJL: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Jason, yes, you’ve got it right. Since our character set has parentheses and a colon, you can use them to represent the signature mark.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">The difficulty comes when you need to qualify signatures. Parentheses are used to introduce the qualifications, but when the signature mark also has parentheses, the resulting
statement can be almost impossible to parse. Let’s imagine that the gathering in your book wasn’t regular and needed to be qualified. Say, that the gathering only has three leaves, you’ve ascertained that the fourth leaf isn’t present, and that your 3-leaf
gathering represents a perfect copy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Signatures: ):(<sup>4</sup>(-):(4) A-Z<sup>8</sup>.
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">I’ve resorted to a couple of different ways to ameliorate the situation. One is to use square brackets and an extra space instead of parentheses for qualification. So:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Signatures: ):(<sup>4</sup> [-):(4] A-Z<sup>8</sup>.
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">Which is still enough to make one’s eyes cross. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">What do you, the community, think about this use of a descriptive phrase in the following signature statement for an actual book.
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<p><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Signatures: [inverted parentheses]-3[inverted parentheses]<sup>4</sup> 4[inverted parentheses]<sup>4</sup> (-[inverted parentheses]4) A-C<sup>4</sup> D<sup>4</sup> (±D1) E<sup>4</sup> F<sup>4</sup> (±F1) G-3H<sup>4</sup>
3I<sup>4</sup> (-3I4).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif"">This book is signed with
<b>)(</b> instead of<b> ):(</b>, so "inverted parentheses" is accurate. For the latter, one possible remedy I just thought of was to pick a single character to represent the ):( and explain it. Something like </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Signatures: %-3%<sup>4</sup> 4%<sup>4</sup>(-%4) A-C<sup>4</sup> D<sup>4</sup> (±D1) E<sup>4</sup> F<sup>4</sup> (±F1) G-3H<sup>4</sup> 3I<sup>4</sup>(-3I4); preliminaries are actually signed ):(.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
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<a href="http://folger.edu/">folger.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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