<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I don't think of the item described in the record as the subject of a bibliographical entry. The subject of the reference resource (which I'll call a bibliography) cited in a 510 is the body of entities that it enumerates, identifies, distinguishes, describes, etc. Some bibliographies are very much concerned with identifying manifestations as such (those which make use of bibliographical analysis and description); others are indeed subject bibliographies, and they thus have more to do with works and expressions than with manifestations <i>per se </i>(though I'm not sure that a work or expression can be said to exist in the absence of a manifestation of some sort). In either case, the entity that we catalog is not the <i>subject</i> of an individual entry--it is, rather, the <i>object</i> to which that entry points: one is <i>identifying</i> the resource that one catalogs by way of such references.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I'm not quite sure why this matters to me so much. It may have to do with the perspective that rare materials catalogers bring to their work, which I think is vital to any clear understanding of what it is that we catalog: our concern with the materiality of <i>all</i> kinds texts, for the manifestation of texts as objects in the world. (As I put it to a young inquirer lately, we pay attention to actual things that actual people made.) At this stage of developing yet another variation on our approach to doing this work, I worry that the latent immateriality of "subject" relationships blurs that focus. What the book is <i>about</i> is obviously of great importance; but what it<i> is</i> and <i>that</i> it is are equally important, and I think we're better off regarding bibliographies (discographies, etc.) as tools for understanding the latter.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><font face="'courier new', monospace">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</font><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Schneider, Nina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu" target="_blank">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Sorry for the long delay in responding. This draft is looking really good. In Richard Noble’s email of 8/10, he states: “One cites these resources as evidence for establishing WEMI relationships among resources:
a matter of identification. Treating the "described in/describes" relationship as "subject" is accordingly a category error.” Although the language of RDA is one with which I struggle, I think that the relationship between the bibliographic entry and the WEMI
(or the EMI) could be considered a subject relationship. The item described/listed in the bibliographic entry is the subject of that entry.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Nina M. Schneider<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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