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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Richard,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Thanks for the help with this. Here’s one point, though: I would think you could use a 501 in the
</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"">De structura glandularum
</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"">record since the signatures suggest<i>
</i>the edition is meant to be issued with the <i>Opera Omnia. </i>But definitely no 501 in its record. Don’t we have to assume that van der Aa produced this edition of
<i>De structura glandularum </i>to be issued with his 1687 <i>Opera Omnia? </i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Thanks for the link to the ICCU catalog. Do you find that catalog helpful?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Thanks, Ted
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Oddity of bound with/signatures<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Since it has its own title page it should definitely be cataloged as an independent publication. The fact that it was issued as a supplement or continuation still doesn't justify a 501 in the
record for <i>Opera omnia</i>, which is a complete manifestation as issued without it in 1687; but the same is also true of
<i>De structura glandularum</i>, since it can stand alone, despite the obvious link between the two publications indicated by the signatures. You should end up with two bib records containing complementary publication and "with" notes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Incidentally, the corresponding ICCU OPAC SBN records are IT\ICCU\UFIE\000616 (<i>Opera omnia</i>) and IT\ICCU\PUVE\010106 (<i>De structura glandularum</i>) at<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Ted P Gemberling <<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Richard,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It does have its own title page, with date 1690.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Are you saying I should use two records, with the main one with a 500 note indicating that
</span><i><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">De structura glandularum</span></i><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">is sometimes bound with Opera omnia,
and a 590 indicating our library’s copy has it? Then on the second record, I might use a 501 indicating
</span><i><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">De structura glandularum</span></i><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> was issued with the Opera Omnia? That
seems like it would cover the situation well. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I notice that #</span><span style="color:#1F497D">223442238, along with the 501, uses a 740 for the
1690 work rather than a second record. That seems less accurate to me since the date for the entire work, given in the fixed field, is 1687.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks, Ted
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Oddity of bound with/signatures</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Off the top of my head: I assume that the 1690
<i>De structura gladularum</i> was issued as a supplement to <i>Opera omnia</i> (which were no longer truly "omnia"). Has it a title page of its own, or just a caption title? The only independent publication of it that I can find is the London edition published
by Richard Chiswell--probably the first edition, as was the London edition of <i>
Opera omnia</i>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">If copies of
<i>Opera omnia</i> that do contain this supplemental work have the original title page, then its presence in any one copy is essentially multiple-item-specific (so to speak). One should account for its possible presence in a 500 note in the general record;
a "with" note relating to it would be local 590. An analytic ought to be made for the supplement, and since it doesn't appear to have been issued independently by Van der Aa, it should have a general note regarding the circumastances of its publication--which
<i>could</i> be a 501, I suppose, though I don't think there's a great deal of gain in so tagging it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Ted P Gemberling <<a href="mailto:tgemberl@uab.edu" target="_blank">tgemberl@uab.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I notice there are a couple of records (#223442238 and 642461646) that treats the second work as issued with the Opera omnia since they note it in a
501 field. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted P Gemberling<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List (<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu" target="_blank">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Oddity of bound with/signatures</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am cataloging Marcello Malpighi’s Opera Omnia, published at Leiden by Pieter van der Aa in 1687. The OCLC record I am using is #4992775. I ran into an oddity that I wanted to
run by people on the list. The last gathering in the 2-volume work is 3F(superscript 4). Immediately following leaf 3F4 in my copy is another work of his called De structurâ glandularum conglobatarum consiliúmque partium epistola, also published by van der
Aa in 1690. The odd thing is that the signatures of this work are 3G-3H(superscript 4). Do you think it’s just a coincidence that the signatures are continuous though the date is later?
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