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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I see the MARC geographic code for Northern Ireland is e-uk-ni. I would think United Kingdom would be more correct. It would require a great deal of bibliographic maintenance since “Great Britain” is a $z on
a lot of subject headings, and one would have to determine whether Great Britain should still be usable for things that include only England, Scotland, and Wales.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have generally used Scotland and England as subfield a’s in the 752. I believe we got a message on this list from a Scottish library confirming that they use Scotland as a subfield a, also. To be honest, I’ve
never run into a publication from Northern Ireland, and have seen only two from Wales.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best, Ted Gemberling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>O'Brien, Iris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 02, 2014 8:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Northern Ireland (and not just England, Scotland and Wales) in 752<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Erin,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I don't know about a campaign as such but as it happens Alan Danskin (British Library representative to the Joint Steering Committee for the Development of RDA (JSC)) told me a few
weeks ago that JSC had discussed the issue a few years ago in relation to jurisdictions and the UK Legal Deposit Libraries opposed a change from Great Britain to United Kingdom on grounds of cost.
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">In response to the earlier discussion on the list about the 752 field, as far as the ESTC is concerned, we have always used the full hierarchy, i.e. "$aGreat Britain $b England $d
London," and we intend to go on like this for now.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Kind regards,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Iris O'Brien</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu] on behalf of Erin Blake [EBlake@FOLGER.edu]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 August 2014 22:38<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Northern Ireland (and not just England,Scotland and Wales) in 752</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Does anyone know if there's ever been a campaign to get "United Kingdom" instead of "Great Britain" as the authorized form of the name in the Library of Congress Authorities file?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Our practice is to use LC-NAF as our source for the 752, and to start with the top order political jurisdiction. Unfortunately, that means we end up with things like "752 $a Great Britain $b Northern Ireland $d
Belfast" which is just plain wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Maybe time for us to switch to the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names as our source?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Having our users search on "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and getting "See: Great Britain" as the result is embarrassing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">EB.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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