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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m not as much of an expert as Richard, Deborah, and others on the list, but I actually think the emphasis on typography and layout in the proposed revision
is helpful because beginning catalogers may have an easier time understanding that than analyzing the author’s function. For the first example, The perfect score, I’m pretty sure that as a beginning cataloger, I would have trouble deciding whether “a novelization”
elaborates the author’s function or the contents. I still find that ambiguous as someone who’s been cataloging for 13 years.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In other words, when something seems quite ambiguous, the typography and layout can provide an easy rule of thumb for a cataloger.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu [mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah J. Leslie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 05, 2014 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#993366">Am finally catching up with discussions that have been occurring. I, too, agree with Francis and Richard. What is the outcome—does Matthew take this back to CC:DA
to incorporate this community's opinions in ALA's response?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#31849B">Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library |
<a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">djleslie@folger.edu</a> | 202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www. folger.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lapka, Francis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 13 August 2014 14:48<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Richard. The current RDA guideline needs a revision, but this proposal places too much emphasis on sequence, layout, and typography. The character
of the noun phrase <i>has</i> to be the primary (and sometimes only) indication of where it belongs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The proposal is less coherent than its parallels in AACR2 and DCRM(B). The proposed wording of the if-and statement also implies that the noun phrase must always
be recorded with Other Title Information if the sequence, layout, and typography suggest no preference—no matter how strong the indication of character in the noun phrase. I doubt this is the outcome the authors intend.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Francis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Richard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Revision Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DCRM-L] Revision to RDA 2.4.1.8 (Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of Responsibility)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I don't see any improvement in the proposed revision, as well as further drawbacks, and find the AACR instructions generally more coherent. The question isn't a matter of typography, but has to
do with whether the information is useful in a display which includes both the title proper and other title information, but not the statement of responsibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">If the noun phrase characterizes the work or expression as a whole, then it ought to be associated with the title proper as, well,
<i>other</i> title information. If the noun phrase has to do with the nature of the responsibility of the person or persons named, then it's part of the statement of responsibility. There will
<i>always</i> be grey areas, but with such guidelines in mind there will be a tendency to coherent if not always invariable results in the work of cataloguers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The revision to regard typographical layout--which may have much more to do with visual design than with intellectual content--<i>does</i> result in intellectual incoherence. If the same words
are differently disposed in another manifestation, then the 245s won't match.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><</span><a href="mailto:RICHARD_NOBLE@BROWN.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Richard_Noble@Br</span></a><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><a href="http://own.edu" target="_blank">own.edu</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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