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<div>Aislinn, I haven't looked at the guidelines for that pilot. I'll inquire and get back to you about it.</div>
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<div> 1. Re: DCRM-L Digest, Vol 108, Issue 22 (Sotelo, Aislinn)</div>
<div> 2. Re: hand coloring and new descriptions (Noble, Richard)</div>
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<div>Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:29:20 +0000</div>
<div>From: "Sotelo, Aislinn" <<a href="mailto:asotelo@ucsd.edu">asotelo@ucsd.edu</a>></div>
<div>To: DCRM Users' Group <<a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a>></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] DCRM-L Digest, Vol 108, Issue 22</div>
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<div>Jackie,</div>
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<div>What about the OCLC Merging Records Pilot Program where some intuitions could merge records in OCLC ourselves? I believe the training says to be very careful about dcrmx (etc.) records, but is there an actual block for this happening? I know OCLC is still
analyzing the pilot. The issue of merging pre 1800, dcrb, bdrb, dcrmx, etc. should be in those conversations if it's not already.</div>
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<div>Aislinn Catherine Sotelo</div>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Dooley,Jackie</div>
<div>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:03 AM</div>
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<div>Yes, it's correct that OCLC doesn't deduplicate dcrm[x] records, nor dcrb, nor bdrb, nor gihc .... Same for pre-1800 imprints. -Jackie</div>
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<div>Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:15:40 +0000</div>
<div>From: "Schneider, Nina" <<a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu">nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu</a><<a href="mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu>">mailto:nschneider@humnet.ucla.edu></a>></div>
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<div>Others can correct me if I've been working under false pretenses, but I'm under the impression that OCLC won't touch a record if it's coded dcrmX (X being whichever module is used: books, serials, graphics) in the 040 $e.</div>
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<div>For those working in Connexion, I believe there is a way to search through GLIMIR clusters to see IR's (see Client Help>GLIMIR>What is in the index). As to the possibility of displaying IR's, RBMS would likely have to start a conversation with OCLC. There
are likely costs involved.</div>
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<div>From: "Noble, Richard" <<a href="mailto:richard_noble@brown.edu">richard_noble@brown.edu</a>></div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions</div>
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<div>True enough--all it takes is a brush and a bit of paint to upgrade that</div>
<div>"penny plain".</div>
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<div>RICHARD NOBLE :: RARE MATERIALS CATALOGUER :: JOHN HAY LIBRARY</div>
<div>BROWN UNIVERSITY :: PROVIDENCE, R.I. 02912 :: 401-863-1187</div>
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<div>On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Deborah J. Leslie <<a href="mailto:DJLeslie@folger.edu">DJLeslie@folger.edu</a>></div>
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<div> Hmm, I disagree with myself. Even with evidence of two intentional</div>
<div>issues, the cataloger is unlikely to know if the hand-colored map in front</div>
<div>of her was done by the workshop or arranged by an owner. Which makes the</div>
<div>bar of evidence so high as to make the creation of two descriptions</div>
<div>virtually "never."</div>
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<div>Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">
djleslie@folger.edu</a> |</div>
<div>202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.</div>
<div>folger.edu</div>
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<div>*From:* <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>] *On</div>
<div>Behalf Of *Deborah J. Leslie</div>
<div>*Sent:* Friday, 27 February 2015 14:13</div>
<div>*To:* DCRM Users' Group</div>
<div>*Cc:* Chet Van Duzer</div>
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<div>*Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions</div>
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<div>Having recently attended a two-day conference on hand-colored maps and</div>
<div>prints, I'm fairly confident about two things. One, that publishers</div>
<div>sometimes issued groups of copies hand-colored and the rest uncolored, just</div>
<div>the way a publisher may issue ordinary and large-paper issues. And, that it</div>
<div>is usually impossible for the cataloger to know whether it was issued that</div>
<div>way unless someone or something tells them. In Jeffrey's example, the two</div>
<div>prices makes it clear. Otherwise, you'd have to depend on research.</div>
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<div>One conference paper was on hand-coloring of the 1513 edition of Ptolemy's</div>
<div>*Geographia*. Chet Van Duzer found over 30 hand-colored copies. Of those</div>
<div>roughly a third displayed the same coloring scheme, while the remaining 2/3</div>
<div>were all different from each other. The conclusion that the publisher</div>
<div>issued both hand-colored and non-colored copies, and that the colored</div>
<div>copies were a mix of workshop and individual coloring. During the course of</div>
<div>two days, we saw many images of different hand-colored copies of the same</div>
<div>prints, and they nearly always were very different from each other. As I</div>
<div>recall, only in Chet's presentation was there any evidence of workshop</div>
<div>coloring.</div>
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<div>I *think* I support creating two descriptions when it is known that the</div>
<div>publisher produced two different "consciously planned publishing units,"</div>
<div>but only if the cataloger is quite certain, such as when different prices</div>
<div>for hand-colored and uncolored copies are printed. Otherwise, assume as a</div>
<div>default that hand-coloring is item-specific.</div>
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<div>Deborah J. Leslie | Folger Shakespeare Library | <a href="mailto:djleslie@folger.edu">
djleslie@folger.edu</a> |</div>
<div>202.675-0369 | 201 East Capitol St., SE, Washington, DC 20003 | www.</div>
<div>folger.edu</div>
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<div>*From:* <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a></div>
<div><<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>] *On Behalf Of *JOHN LANCASTER</div>
<div>*Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 19:37</div>
<div>*To:* DCRM Revision List</div>
<div>*Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions</div>
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<div>From DCRM(B) (which was based on a substantial amount of scholarly</div>
<div>discussion, not least Tanselle?s seminal paper, ?The bibliographical</div>
<div>concepts of issue and state? (PBSA 69 (1975), 17-66, and the responses to</div>
<div>it over the years):</div>
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<div>A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously planned</div>
<div>publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published copies by</div>
<div>one or more differences designed expressly to identify the group as a</div>
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<div>It seems pretty clear that versions of a printing designed to sell for</div>
<div>different prices, with different physical characteristics, constitute</div>
<div>different issues, whether those differences are in the illustrations, the</div>
<div>quality or size of paper, or the quality of binding, to name a few common</div>
<div>ones. Both bookseller and purchaser would be quite clear which group of</div>
<div>copies they were dealing with in any given transaction, and would not</div>
<div>likely consider them the same.</div>
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<div>Appendix E states:</div>
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<div>As a default approach, the rules contained in DCRM(B) assume that a</div>
<div>separate bibliographic record will be created for each bibliographic</div>
<div>variant that represents what is referred to as an "edition" in AACR2 and</div>
<div>an "issue" in bibliographic scholarship.</div>
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<div>The fact that it may be difficult to determine for a specific copy whether</div>
<div>that copy was issued colored or not, does not invalidate the fundamental</div>
<div>distinction between the types of copies as issued.</div>
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<div>As to confusing researchers, I guess it depends on the researcher - if one</div>
<div>is interested in the physical characteristics, publication conditions, and</div>
<div>the like, it would be more confusing to have all the copies of both</div>
<div>versions lumped together as holdings on a single record, and to have to</div>
<div>sort them out by querying individual libraries (even if only by consulting</div>
<div>each of their on-line catalogues).</div>
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<div>John Lancaster</div>
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<div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Jeffrey P. Barton <<a href="mailto:jpbarton@Princeton.EDU">jpbarton@Princeton.EDU</a>></div>
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<div>I agree with what both Allison and Ellen say. I?ve always been guided by</div>
<div>the ?new setting of type? (matrix) guide in creating/not creating separate</div>
<div>records, and it can be confusing to a researcher to see multiple titles</div>
<div>listed separately, when the only real difference is hand-coloring of plates</div>
<div>(or lack thereof) and they?re really the same issue.</div>
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<div>For Cotsen Library (children?s) 18th and 19th c. books, we often see books</div>
<div>which specifically mention the colored/plain options on the wrappers or</div>
<div>cover (a couple of examples below). It seems like the publisher is thus</div>
<div>cueing the public that there are two variations of essentially the same</div>
<div>issue?</div>
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<div>"Price 1s. plain, or 1s. 6d. coloured"</div>
<div>"6 d. Plain ; 1 s. Coloured"--Upper wrapper.</div>
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<div>Jeff Barton</div>
<div>Cotsen Library</div>
<div>Princeton RBSC</div>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a></div>
<div><<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>] On Behalf Of Allison Jai O'Dell</div>
<div>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:15 PM</div>
<div>To: DCRM Users' Group</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions</div>
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<div>Another question that is, of course, relevant: does it serve users to</div>
<div>create a new description for color variations?</div>
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<div>Maybe we can ask the research community?</div>
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<div>Allison</div>
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<div>On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Cordes, Ellen <<a href="mailto:ellen.cordes@yale.edu">ellen.cordes@yale.edu</a>></div>
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<div>I still think the concept that G uses is central: was there or was there</div>
<div>not a change to the matrix? If yes, then a new record. If no, than the</div>
<div>issue of hand-coloring is item specific whether the publisher caused it to</div>
<div>be hand-colored and sold them as such or a later owner commissioned the</div>
<div>coloring. Sometimes we can tell because it says on the print that it is</div>
<div>sold both colored and uncolored, but we cannot tell if a later owner had</div>
<div>his print colored to his liking.</div>
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<div>Ellen</div>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a></div>
<div><<a href="mailto:dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l-bounces@lib.byu.edu</a>>] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis</div>
<div>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 12:44 PM</div>
<div>To: <a href="mailto:dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu">dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu</a></div>
<div>Subject: [DCRM-L] hand coloring and new descriptions</div>
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<div>On behalf of the DCRM2 task force, I would like community thoughts on what</div>
<div>appears to be an inconsistency on the matter of Variations requiring a new</div>
<div>record (Appendix E).</div>
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<div>The draft of DCRM(C), rule E1.2 says: ?? generally consider that a new</div>
<div>bibliographic record is required whenever the material distinguishes itself</div>
<div>from other variants by one or more of the following characteristics: ?</div>
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<div>? change in the presence of hand coloring, if there is evidence</div>
<div>that the resource was issued both with and without the hand coloring (in</div>
<div>case of doubt, assume the material was issued both ways)?</div>
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<div>Contrast this to DCRM(G), rule E1.3, which says: ?Examples of differences</div>
<div>that do not in themselves necessarily signal the need for a new record in</div>
<div>the absence of other differences include: ?</div>
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<div>? the presence or absence of hand-coloring</div>
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<div>? a difference in printed colors?</div>
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<div>The other DCRM manuals do not explicitly treat the issue of color in this</div>
<div>context. That said, the matter is still relevant to other formats. It is</div>
<div>common, for example, for publishers of color-plate books to announce (on</div>
<div>the item) the availability of the book in colored and uncolored versions,</div>
<div>at different prices. In this circumstance, it is uncommon practice (as far</div>
<div>as I know) to create separate records for the colored and uncolored</div>
<div>versions.</div>
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<div>The default DCRM guideline is to ?assume that a separate bibliographic</div>
<div>record [i.e. a new Manifestation?] will be created for each bibliographic</div>
<div>variant that represents what is referred to as an ?edition? in AACR2 and an</div>
<div>?issue? in bibliographic scholarship.? It?s not a leap to argue that a</div>
<div>difference in coloring meets the definition of a distinct issue (from</div>
<div>DCRMB): ?A group of published copies which constitutes a consciously</div>
<div>planned publishing unit, distinguishable from other groups of published</div>
<div>copies by one or more differences designed expressly to identify the group</div>
<div>as a discrete unit.?</div>
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<div>I would like DCRM2 to take a consistent (and principled) stand on the</div>
<div>matter, allowing (as DCRM does) for agencies to vary when it makes sense to</div>
<div>do so. What, then, would make most sense as the default approach?</div>
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<div>I?ve already received useful comments from members of the Cartographic</div>
<div>team on this question, and I encourage them to chime in again here.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Francis</div>
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<div>Francis Lapka ? Catalog Librarian</div>
<div>Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts</div>
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<div>BUILDING CONSERVATION PROJECT</div>
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